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Flyers owner: “If Pronger and Meszaros had been healthy in the playoffs, we would have won the whole thing”

May 29, 2012, 2:57 PM EDT

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On the eve of a Kings-Devils Stanley Cup finals, Ed Snider wondered what could’ve been.

The Flyers owner told that, had defensemen Chris Pronger and Andrej Meszaros been healthy for the playoffs, it would’ve been his team playing in the Cup finals.

Winning it, too.

“I honestly think if Pronger and Meszaros had been healthy in the playoffs, we would have won the whole thing,” Snider said. “I don’t like to cry about injuries, buy you just can’t lose a Pronger and replace him. And then on top of that, you lose Meszaros and [Marc-Andre] Bourdon.”

The Flyers lost Pronger for the season on Nov. 19 (concussion) and were without Meszaros (back) for all but one of their playoff contests — the Game 5 loss to New Jersey that ended their season.

An upper-body injury limited Bourdon to just one playoff appearance.

As such, Philly’s defense was a patchwork job. The trade deadline acquisition of Nicklas Grossmann worked out well and, despite missing some time with a concussion, he played well enough to warrant a four-year, $14 million extension.

The Flyers’ other deadline pickup, Pavel Kubina, fared much worse and ended up a healthy scratch by postseason’s end.

This forced head coach Peter Laviolette to rely mostly on Braydon Coburn, Kimmo Timonen and Matt Carle while squeezing minutes out of Erik Gustafsson and Andreas Lilja. All told, Philly dressed nine different defencemen during the playoffs, a fairly good indicator of how patchwork it was.

Of course, saying the Flyers had a patchwork defense is a far cry from saying “with Pronger and Meszaros, they win the Cup.”

  1. killerpgh - May 29, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    If my aunt had balls she would have been my uncle. Sounds like crying to me. Injuries happen to all teams. Suck it up and drive on.

    • joebuckiscreepy - May 29, 2012 at 3:35 PM

      At least they were able to suck it up and handle the biggest crybaby in professional sports and the Penguins in the first round…

      • sportsfreak13 - May 29, 2012 at 3:44 PM

        ya because Crosby skated backwards complaining to the refs when he didn’t get a call then headshotted someone. O Wait that was giroux. Crosby was the 1 who broke his stick in frustration after losing game 5 like he’s never lost a game before. Nope that was giroux again.

      • sewell1977 - May 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM

        No, Crosby just whispered sweet nothings in the ref’s ear when they were near the bench, and pulled Hartnell by the jersey when he wasn’t looking, and knocked Voracek’s glove away, and made teenage boy comments to the media after the games.

      • sportsfreak13 - May 29, 2012 at 3:54 PM

        So i guess the only difference is that Crosby has his name on the cup. I’d rather have my superstar pushing gloves away then headhunting or excuse me ” finishing his check” when things don’t go his way.

      • sewell1977 - May 29, 2012 at 4:21 PM

        I can show you videos of Crosby being a dirty player if you want to go there.

      • sportsfreak13 - May 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM

        right back at you with pronger, giroux, hartnell, rinaldo, and o yea briere. No hockey player is 100% innocent because its such a high speed hard nosed game. My point is don’t be a hypocrit. Call a spade a spade.

    • eigglesnosuperbowls - May 29, 2012 at 4:58 PM

      But your Aunt does have balls !

      • maalea - May 29, 2012 at 7:57 PM

        As do most of the ‘women’ in the ‘Burgh.

  2. quonce - May 29, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    They Damn near got swept by the Devils. Only reason they won game one was because of the double OT hangover from round one.

    It wasn’t even close. Stop. Neither of them play goalie nor scores goals regularly. They hardly even prevent them. Stop.

    I do wish Pronger a full recovery however. I hate on filthy but hate he is in that state.

    • thesportsguru7 - May 29, 2012 at 4:57 PM

      However, if you had watched the series, you would have noticed the Flyers had an extremely difficult time passing the puck out of their own zone. So, who is responsible for passing the puck out of the zone? Defense. The Flyers patchwork defense, could not stop the cycle, nor pass the puck out of their zone, that’s the difference in that series.

      Saying they would have won the whole thing though is a little bit of an overstatement. He should have said that it would have gave them a better chance of winning the whole thing.

  3. vasteelerfan - May 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    Please stop with the Philly whine the vintage smells sour. You had a good season for you. Think 1975

  4. takingbovadasmoney - May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    If ifs and buts were candy and nuts it would be Christmas every day.

  5. mydadyourmom - May 29, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    Haha. What a joke. Go trade for Luongo.

  6. vasteelerfan - May 29, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    It seems we forget about claudette g showing her temper. Think about 1975 it was your last big win

  7. dannymac17 - May 29, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    That’s funny considering they would still have had to play the Kings.

    And they would have gotten steam rolled.

  8. jimw81 - May 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    I love reading funny comments from bandwagon kings and devils fans. I especially love the “Think about 1975” comments. Atleast Flyers try every year by spending money to field an competitive team. What really going to funny when teams like kings and devils have to split up their nucleus after new cba is in place.

    • eigglesnosuperbowls - May 29, 2012 at 4:33 PM

      Could not agree more I don’t kno who backs these organizations financially that play in empty buildings all year long ! If you win a cup in LA or Norf Jersey did you really win a cup kind of like if a tree falls in the forrest !

      • sicklife1 - May 29, 2012 at 5:00 PM

        Hmmmm….seeing how the Devils have been to 5 Stanley Cup finals & won 3 of them since your team last won, I’m pretty sure they “really” won. I’m not even a Devils fan, but to lump their franchise with the Kings is unfair. There is a solid group of hardcore fans in NJ, and they’re competitive almost every year.

  9. vasteelerfan - May 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    Show claudette’s legal high check when you roll the tape. Envy Sid! 1975

  10. fbothharbaughs - May 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    Yes, Holmgren, Richards & Carter were truly the problem…

    • steelwarriors55 - May 29, 2012 at 8:44 PM

      Oh please! Dont tell me that they are the reason why the kings are there.Flyers have a younger and better team than last year with Carter and Richards.The only big mistake from Homer was to sign Bryzgalov

      • jimw81 - May 29, 2012 at 11:19 PM

        Bryzgalov problem was getting use to a bigger hockey environment. The organ-i-zation never sat down with and told what he was going to experience. I do give him credit not falling for the tricks from the media.

  11. danaking - May 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    Absolutely true, without those two injuries the Flyers would have won it all. Because no one else had to deal with injuries during the playoffs. Just them.

  12. GenoPringles - May 29, 2012 at 4:39 PM

    Mario should punch this joke square in the face. Dumb comments like this are a disgrace to all the other smart owners. This guy makes Bryz sound like a rocket scientist. Good old Filthy smelly since 75

    • jimw81 - May 29, 2012 at 11:16 PM

      When was the last time Pittsburgh wasn’t a dump? Penguins would be in Kansas City if Mario didn’t stomp his feet over all over the place like a little baby for his new arena that he had to have and threaten the governor (ex Philly mayor) at the time with letters.

      • mmmpierogi - May 29, 2012 at 11:54 PM

        Re: the arena issue, what the hell are you talking about? The Civic (Mellon) Arena was the oldest arena in the NHL when it closed its doors. You usually don’t see team owners fighting tooth and nail to stay in a place that has that claim to it unless it’s called either Fenway Park or Wrigley Field. I’d be shooting off letters, too.

  13. bobhpine - May 29, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    Losing in five in the second round is really only a gnat’s eyelash away from winning it all…I believe that’s 11 knock knocks…lol

  14. cweez2 - May 29, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    Well, they weren’t. And you didn’t. That’s why they play the games.

  15. ironmike778 - May 29, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    Oh Whatever. Why do I keep reading about the Flyers and what they should have/could have done? Go away.

  16. smushrodriguez - May 29, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    thesportsguru7: the Flyers not being able to get the puck out I the zone is also on the forwards as is the poor defense. Ed Snider is delusional. Lavy’s system is flawed. They have poor team defense, not just defenseman. (I’m a longtime Flyers fan).

    • jimw81 - May 29, 2012 at 11:10 PM

      Lavy system isn’t flawed. The problem the system was defense system was built too much around pronger and not around the team strengths. He needs to surround himself with better assistant coaches. But the upcoming season is on him.

  17. dannythebisforbeast - May 29, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    You keep reading about Philly things because our fanbase is huge and apparently the Philly haters are out in thick too. Let’s see articles about upcoming Stanley cup (3) comments. Blurb about a team hasn’t played in weeks (30) and counting. Kings will win but no one cares, their team will be blown up and only have a chance again because of the goalie. 1975 ..1975 bla bla. At least we have a chance almost EVERY year.

  18. jakpsu1 - May 29, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    For a team that hasn’t won a Stanley Cup in over 30 years they sure are arrogant. I guess if you suck for that long you need to do something to make yourself feel better

  19. crazemastercraze - May 29, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    the nonstop delusion from flyers land continues……

  20. heyzeus143 - May 30, 2012 at 1:55 AM

    I’d have say ya wouldn’t have, just a hunch, 1975

  21. joewilliesshnoz - May 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM

    The Philthy Scumbags are still crying in May, go figure .

  22. elimanningbobblehead - May 31, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH … I just saw this article and I still can’t stop laughing.. Coulda shoulda..that should be the Fly boys new banner.. This is such a joke when you have a goaltender who can’t stop a beach ball. The Flyers will never learn that they need a world class goaltender to back stop them and steal a few games…they dont have that and probably will never learn they need it…which makes me happier than a pig in sh*t… keep dreamin’ guys cause Pronger (old and certainly slower than he used to be) is not the answer to your cup drought.

  23. mgdsquiggy17 - Jun 1, 2012 at 4:07 PM


    are you really that lame that you only have 1 comment that you keep copy and pasting???

  24. feva4theflava - Jun 1, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    Who they kidding? Flyers r nothing without rocky!

  25. jimeejohnson - Jun 2, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    I’m not from Pennsylvania, but I thought both Pittsburgh and Philly were great. Cannot understand how each team’s fanbase puts down the others’ city. And now, for a cheesesteak with french fries on top!

  26. matthewmacisaac - Jun 4, 2012 at 4:39 AM

    I just hope Snyder isn’t stupid enough to sign off on a new contract for Carle. I keep hearing how Holmgren wants to resign him and wonder,”Why?”. He is a pathetic defenseman, who should have been traded at the deadline. Since he wasn’t, he should have been a healthy scratch. It doesn’t matter who you’re missing due to injury, you play the cards you’re dealt, but Carle is a card you throw away.

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