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	<title>Comments on: Report: NHLPA feels Torres hearing, suspension &#8220;violated the very basic requirements of a fair process.&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: comeonnowguys</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/04/report-nhlpa-feels-torres-hearing-suspension-violated-the-very-basic-requirements-of-a-fair-process/comment-page-1/#comment-69948</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[comeonnowguys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 02:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talk all you want, your team is leaving because you just now figured out you have a hockey team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk all you want, your team is leaving because you just now figured out you have a hockey team.</p>
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		<title>By: ewp1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ewp1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 01:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It couldn&#039;t have been all that straight-forward.  You along with bingram seem confused about elbowing being involved (which Shanahan never mentions).  It was an illegal shoulder check because it was interference.  I&#039;m not so sure about charging, one of Torres&#039; skates was on the ground when the contact occurred, and I don&#039;t think the head was targeted.  Keith&#039;s hit was much worse with regard to head targeting.  I&#039;d say two games for the interference itself and ten for Torres&#039; past history and the severity of the injury.  Twenty-five seems excessive given past NHL punishments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It couldn&#8217;t have been all that straight-forward.  You along with bingram seem confused about elbowing being involved (which Shanahan never mentions).  It was an illegal shoulder check because it was interference.  I&#8217;m not so sure about charging, one of Torres&#8217; skates was on the ground when the contact occurred, and I don&#8217;t think the head was targeted.  Keith&#8217;s hit was much worse with regard to head targeting.  I&#8217;d say two games for the interference itself and ten for Torres&#8217; past history and the severity of the injury.  Twenty-five seems excessive given past NHL punishments.</p>
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		<title>By: cliverush</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cliverush]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 15:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shanahan has explained his ruling in a straight forward manner. You launch, you lose. You launch at a players head, with your elbow, you lose more. You do it repeatedly, see ya. Get used to it or go play in a lower league.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shanahan has explained his ruling in a straight forward manner. You launch, you lose. You launch at a players head, with your elbow, you lose more. You do it repeatedly, see ya. Get used to it or go play in a lower league.</p>
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		<title>By: howiehandles</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/04/report-nhlpa-feels-torres-hearing-suspension-violated-the-very-basic-requirements-of-a-fair-process/comment-page-1/#comment-69598</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[howiehandles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 14:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Off guard? It was a cheap shot. 

The guy has a history of it, case closed. 

Your fans are a bunch of front runners. How many years in a row do they appear at, or very near, the bottom in attendance?

Soon you can go back to watch the Housewives of ....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off guard? It was a cheap shot. </p>
<p>The guy has a history of it, case closed. </p>
<p>Your fans are a bunch of front runners. How many years in a row do they appear at, or very near, the bottom in attendance?</p>
<p>Soon you can go back to watch the Housewives of &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: howiehandles</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/04/report-nhlpa-feels-torres-hearing-suspension-violated-the-very-basic-requirements-of-a-fair-process/comment-page-1/#comment-69597</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[howiehandles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 14:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pretty soon you&#039;ll go back to not watching the team, just like the rest of the Coyote fans who continue to show what front runners they are. 

Two months ago you probably though Raffi Torres was an illegal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty soon you&#8217;ll go back to not watching the team, just like the rest of the Coyote fans who continue to show what front runners they are. </p>
<p>Two months ago you probably though Raffi Torres was an illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: bingram20</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bingram20]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 13:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The suspension was well deserved repeat offender, left his feet ,elbow to the head exactly what the league wants to get rid of. That being said I think the czar of discipline should not be a former player. A former player could have  many prejudices against certain teams or players that could cloud his judgement.

Slumdog that was a stupid thing to say no one in here said anything bad about the Coyotes they are a good team playing hard no one is taking anything away from them. They are talking about one stupid play.

Hey tackledummy its not just Blackhawks fans who think this suspension is fair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The suspension was well deserved repeat offender, left his feet ,elbow to the head exactly what the league wants to get rid of. That being said I think the czar of discipline should not be a former player. A former player could have  many prejudices against certain teams or players that could cloud his judgement.</p>
<p>Slumdog that was a stupid thing to say no one in here said anything bad about the Coyotes they are a good team playing hard no one is taking anything away from them. They are talking about one stupid play.</p>
<p>Hey tackledummy its not just Blackhawks fans who think this suspension is fair.</p>
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		<title>By: tackledummy1505</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tackledummy1505]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 13:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Torres should&#039;ve got 4-5 games that&#039;s it. Just because he hurt Hossa. I&#039;ve seen plenty of hits in this playoffs where people left their feet. Fact is if Raffi Torres was say Evengi Malkin, Shea, Crosby, or any of NHL favorite, he probably would&#039;ve gotten a slap on the wrist. Chicago fans get over it, your team got ousted from the playoffs, live with it. The NHL has been severely bias to certain players and Torres&#039; hit wasn&#039;t that bad. He just caught Hossa off guard. I will say this though, the NHL has to get their act together when it comes to discipline because right now they look retarded. Only basketball is worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torres should&#8217;ve got 4-5 games that&#8217;s it. Just because he hurt Hossa. I&#8217;ve seen plenty of hits in this playoffs where people left their feet. Fact is if Raffi Torres was say Evengi Malkin, Shea, Crosby, or any of NHL favorite, he probably would&#8217;ve gotten a slap on the wrist. Chicago fans get over it, your team got ousted from the playoffs, live with it. The NHL has been severely bias to certain players and Torres&#8217; hit wasn&#8217;t that bad. He just caught Hossa off guard. I will say this though, the NHL has to get their act together when it comes to discipline because right now they look retarded. Only basketball is worse.</p>
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		<title>By: jpat2424</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jpat2424]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 12:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slumdog your an idiot. It&#039;s not about the yotes reaching conf. finals ( good for them) it&#039;s about a repeat offender taking out another skill guy and the NHLPA defending this A hole. Get a clue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slumdog your an idiot. It&#8217;s not about the yotes reaching conf. finals ( good for them) it&#8217;s about a repeat offender taking out another skill guy and the NHLPA defending this A hole. Get a clue.</p>
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		<title>By: tommytd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tommytd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 11:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talk to Hossa and other players in the league about fair his &quot;process&quot; is. I would like to see the NHL bounce his ass from the league and start cleaning up the sport.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk to Hossa and other players in the league about fair his &#8220;process&#8221; is. I would like to see the NHL bounce his ass from the league and start cleaning up the sport.</p>
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		<title>By: slumdog66</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/04/report-nhlpa-feels-torres-hearing-suspension-violated-the-very-basic-requirements-of-a-fair-process/comment-page-1/#comment-69580</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[slumdog66]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 07:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talk all you want, the coyotes are 1 game away from reaching the western conference finals. Taste it losers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk all you want, the coyotes are 1 game away from reaching the western conference finals. Taste it losers.</p>
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		<title>By: mb65dod</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mb65dod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 05:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He probably must to kill someone to justify suspension....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He probably must to kill someone to justify suspension&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: comeonnowguys</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/04/report-nhlpa-feels-torres-hearing-suspension-violated-the-very-basic-requirements-of-a-fair-process/comment-page-1/#comment-69559</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[comeonnowguys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 03:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the NHLPA would rather protect the thugs than the skill players?

Yep, good luck staying the 4th most popular team sport in the U.S.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the NHLPA would rather protect the thugs than the skill players?</p>
<p>Yep, good luck staying the 4th most popular team sport in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: joshuakorr</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/04/report-nhlpa-feels-torres-hearing-suspension-violated-the-very-basic-requirements-of-a-fair-process/comment-page-1/#comment-69556</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joshuakorr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 03:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doesn&#039;t the player&#039;s association have more of an interest in preventing concussions than in preventing suspensions for players who deliver dangerous checks that take star players out of a playoff series and end their season? Especially when the offending player has such a long history of bad checks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the player&#8217;s association have more of an interest in preventing concussions than in preventing suspensions for players who deliver dangerous checks that take star players out of a playoff series and end their season? Especially when the offending player has such a long history of bad checks.</p>
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		<title>By: eggserino</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eggserino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 02:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is the NHLPA&#039;s backing of Torres just another opportunity to dispute with the league going into this summer&#039;s CBA battle?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the NHLPA&#8217;s backing of Torres just another opportunity to dispute with the league going into this summer&#8217;s CBA battle?</p>
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		<title>By: howardforvezina</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[howardforvezina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 01:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boo hoo      He has done this many times(dirty plays), he deserves the punishment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo hoo      He has done this many times(dirty plays), he deserves the punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: polegojim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[polegojim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 01:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny Raffi... same way many players feel about the way YOU play.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny Raffi&#8230; same way many players feel about the way YOU play.</p>
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		<title>By: tru2joelu4eva</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tru2joelu4eva]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 01:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[torres should lose the PRIVILEGE of playing in the national hockey league.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>torres should lose the PRIVILEGE of playing in the national hockey league.</p>
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		<title>By: eggserino</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eggserino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 01:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s rich. 

The NHLPA is going to back the guy with a record a mile long of dangerous hits and head shots even after the league has said that they are cracking down on hits to the head. Raffi Torres has stated in the past, on plays for which he was suspended, that he would not change his game and that he thought that the hit was a clean hit. Rather than recognizing that Torres is the extreme example of a player with multiple suspensions for similar actions, the NHLPA is going to back this guy.

Here&#039;s an alternative: Since the NHLPA&#039;s primary function is to advocate for the economic viability of it&#039;s players, why not back the guy who makes THREE TIMES AS MUCH who is stuck at home, not knowing if his concussion symptoms are going to get better anytime before next year&#039;s playoffs?! Guys with big salaries help guys with smaller salaries earn more. It&#039;s how it works. 

Guys like Torres are leeches. They suck the talent out of the sport and turn it into a game that isn&#039;t about skill, but about career-threatening brutality. 

How many times has Matt Cooke been suspended? Four times. Look at how he changed his game this year. Torres was suspended five times prior to this incident and has done nothing to change his game. 

Time for Torres to change his game or find another career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s rich. </p>
<p>The NHLPA is going to back the guy with a record a mile long of dangerous hits and head shots even after the league has said that they are cracking down on hits to the head. Raffi Torres has stated in the past, on plays for which he was suspended, that he would not change his game and that he thought that the hit was a clean hit. Rather than recognizing that Torres is the extreme example of a player with multiple suspensions for similar actions, the NHLPA is going to back this guy.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an alternative: Since the NHLPA&#8217;s primary function is to advocate for the economic viability of it&#8217;s players, why not back the guy who makes THREE TIMES AS MUCH who is stuck at home, not knowing if his concussion symptoms are going to get better anytime before next year&#8217;s playoffs?! Guys with big salaries help guys with smaller salaries earn more. It&#8217;s how it works. </p>
<p>Guys like Torres are leeches. They suck the talent out of the sport and turn it into a game that isn&#8217;t about skill, but about career-threatening brutality. </p>
<p>How many times has Matt Cooke been suspended? Four times. Look at how he changed his game this year. Torres was suspended five times prior to this incident and has done nothing to change his game. </p>
<p>Time for Torres to change his game or find another career.</p>
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