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Chicago’s Police Superintendent says Torres hit “was borderline criminal conduct”

Apr 20, 2012, 3:15 PM EDT

Torres Hossa

It seems everybody from Chicago has weighed in on the Raffi TorresMarian Hossa hit. Players, coaches, media — yes, even politicians — so it’s not surprising the city’s top cop has given his opinion.

Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy was at Game 3, witnessed the incident and shared his thoughts with Chicago Sun-Times gossip columnist Michael Sneed:

“It was borderline criminal conduct. Hockey is a tough game that’s played rough. But you play fair. Not dirty.

“I took an out-of-town friend to the game and paid dearly for those tickets. But you don’t pay to see cheap shots like that.

 “The guy [Torres] was acting insane. He was cursing the fans and pointing his stick at them. What Torres did could jeopardize two careers and two livelihoods.

“Quite frankly, Mike, what happened should merit a lifetime ban from the National Hockey League.”

A lifetime ban certainly would be stiff punishment for Torres, who on Friday had a hearing with NHL discipline czar Brendan Shanahan.

It’s expected Shanahan will issue a lengthy suspension, possibly longer than his last big one — that, of course, being the five game ban given to Chicago defenseman Duncan Keith.

Remember that one, Superintendent?

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  1. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd - Apr 20, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    lol yeah, and Shaws hit on smith wasnt dirtier right?? And I love how Chicago fans talk about “cheap shots”, and then boo Smith…yea, real classy.

    • wingsdjy - Apr 20, 2012 at 4:01 PM

      That would only be a valid complaint if Hossa popped up immediately after a penalty was assessed to Torres. No one denies the Shaw hit Smith, but it sure looked like Smith embellished.

  2. hockeyflow33 - Apr 20, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    I’ve honestly had enough of the idiots preaching from their publicly funded pulpits. Let the game handle itself.

  3. jballzz2001 - Apr 20, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    The Keith hit on Sedin was cheaper. Sedin never touched the puck and Keith led with his elbow and targeted the head.

    Torres was a late hit and he left his feet. That is much closer to a hockey play than Keith’s hit.

    • superbran17 - Apr 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM

      this. Torres, really should only get 3 or 4 games. but because of the media teaming up and over blowing the dirtyness of the hit, it will be much longer.

      • rob1986s - Apr 20, 2012 at 4:46 PM

        I think it has more to do with the fact that Torres is a repeat offender and Keith was not.

        But keep blaming the media, I’m sure Bettman and Shanny are refreshing their twitter constantly to see what the media thinks.

    • comeonnowguys - Apr 20, 2012 at 4:45 PM

      Puck had left.
      Left his skates.
      Targeted the head.
      Long history of doing this same exact thing.

      People calling it a hockey play keep forgetting the last two.

      • spiciercheez - Apr 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM

        Targeting the head and him having a history somehow make this a non-hockey play? I understand what you are trying to say but cmon. It was a split second after the puck left. I hate Raffi and that hit but it was not even thaaaat bad.

      • comeonnowguys - Apr 20, 2012 at 5:06 PM

        Well, I guess half and half of that.

        Targeting the head is illegal, no?

        But the long history doesn’t have any immediate bearing on the play, but it is the reason he’s going to get more than 3-4 games.

      • spiciercheez - Apr 20, 2012 at 5:21 PM

        So a hit a split second after the puck leaves is somehow not a hockey play? Dirty or not its still a ‘hockey’ play

      • themohel - Apr 20, 2012 at 5:52 PM

        Hey Cheese – when the same couple guys keep having the same split-second mistakes over and over, do you ever wonder about their decision-making ability or their intent?

        Here’s a little over-the-top example – a guy has one beer too many and blows a .12; on the way home he crashes into another car and kills a family. He tells the judge, “I didn’t have bad intent; I was just one drink from being legal.” The judge says “what about the last four times you were here?”

        10-plus illegal hits to the head is no longer an accident.

  4. hockeyflow33 - Apr 20, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    By the way, does anyone actually think this asshat paid for his tickets? Chicago is known for their public employess with high moral standards

  5. pchow - Apr 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    sigh Chicago.

  6. superbran17 - Apr 20, 2012 at 3:54 PM

    Torres never left his feet before contact. there are frame-by-frame shots of the hit and his skates are on the ice upon impact.

    The media reaction is hugely overblown on this one. This hit is less cheap and less dirty than any of the elbows that have been thrown these playoffs. The only difference is the bad luck that Hossa (hope hes okay) got carried off on a stretcher.

    • wingsdjy - Apr 20, 2012 at 4:03 PM

      Maybe, but Torres was definitely preparing to jump at impact. Otherwise, gravity must have magically reversed itself, propelling him off of the ice.

  7. sjsharks66 - Apr 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Jesus Christ, this is out of control. Next time someone on any team gets heart from a cheap shot I expect the president to come out and address a life time ban.

    • govtminion - Apr 20, 2012 at 4:17 PM

      Nah, not likely. The local fans here in Washington have been trying to get Obama to come to a game for three and a half years now, and he hasn’t done it yet. You’d think a game when the Bruins are in town would be the ideal time, too.

      • jimeejohnson - Apr 21, 2012 at 1:04 PM

        Wonder if Bush Jr., or even Clinton or Reagan, ever attended a hockey game? The Canadian origin of the game might be a factor, but more than likely these politicians cannot skate to save their lives and know nothing about the great game of hockey.

  8. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd - Apr 20, 2012 at 4:01 PM

    i watched the game when Neal (pens) got suspended for hitting girioux (sorry if i spelled that wrong flyers fans)…but the hit before that (on their rookie..cant recall the name) was almost exactly the same as Torres’s hit, yet Neal didnt get a suspension for that…nor the outrage that Torres has. Im a new yotes fan honestly ( I do live in Phx), but ive played and watched hockey most of my life (the strike turned me off for a few years) and those hits were always part of the game. The phrase “keep your head on a swivel” would have helped Hossa, and im sure he will from now on. Im glad hes ok, but seriously this has been WAY overblown. Not too mention, shaw goes right for Smiths head and they apparently didnt feel that was much so the Chi town fans booed him both nights…sorry, but thats garbage and tells me everything i need to know about blackhawks fans.

    • kitshky - Apr 20, 2012 at 4:20 PM

      Just a lil tip ..

      When you’re trying to make a point but you cant remember how to spell a name or who was involved … it’s called Google.

      • wmlgivens - Apr 20, 2012 at 5:06 PM

        You have played and watched hockey most of your life, but you do not know that this was a late hit (even Coyotes GM Don Maloney admitted it was a little late), and you do not know that he left his feet and targeted Hossa’s head – in clear violation of rule 48.1 even according to Kerry Fraser

        “Torres launched high (skates off the ice) and made Marian Hossa’s head the principal point of contact with Torres shoulder.”

        I believe in good physical hockey like the Coyotes organization has been delivering, but cowardly acts like this don’t belong in the game.

        And trying to compare it to the Shaw / Smith incident just shows total ignorance on your behalf. Was Shaw’s hit on Smith a penalty – absolutely. Should he have been penalized – absolutely. However it was nowhere near comparable.

    • comeonnowguys - Apr 20, 2012 at 4:53 PM

      1) Hossa’s head was up.

      2) There’s a difference between trying to injure someone, and being reckless. If you watch Shaw, he was actually going for the puck, and he turned sideways right before impact. He was right to get tossed. Three games is a bit much.

      3) They boo Smith because he fully recovered as soon as they tossed Shaw. Which is odd, because for the span of over a commercial break, he was rolling around on the ice like someone cut his nose off, and made it look like he had to come out of the game.

      They’re not booing him because Shaw is a dumbass. They’re booing him for literally flopping.

  9. thehighcountrybear - Apr 20, 2012 at 4:26 PM

    Torres was uncoiling as he stepped-into Hossa which in turn produces the lifting action as the energy is carried upward through the moment of contact; it’s classic hitting technique and it’s how a proper hit is conducted. Aim at the incoming player’s centre of gravity then drive through and upward with the shoulder! Problematic for Torres is he did not pick Hossa’s chest as a target but rather his upper body where pads ride-up on pads in the instant of the coming together. Given his history, I think it’s time Raffi polishes-up his lawn bowling shoes…summer’s come early! As for the Chicago police wading-in, I’m old enough to remember the quality of policing work in places like Dallas, La and Chicago…while the precinct cops on the street are top end, their management structures are nothing more than an extension of the political will of quasi-fascist political overlords! Signed…

    Abbot Howard Hoffman

    • jimeejohnson - Apr 21, 2012 at 1:06 PM

      “Quasi-Fascist political overlords”! “Nice” (say like Dads on South Park teacher-student sex episode).

  10. bigoldorcafromvan - Apr 20, 2012 at 4:29 PM

    The Police Chief should stick to police work. I am going to go with the Chicago Fan mentality on this one. Hossa is okay and now he has to wait till Saturday before he says he is okay to play. Got to see where the suspension is going. Remember the Daniel Sedin story hawk fans..In all honesty I hope Hossa is okay and can be back soon. I also believe if it was anybody else other than Torres we wouldn.t be talking about it. Get well soon Hossa.

  11. sabatimus - Apr 20, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    McCarthy should go become a Mountie.

    • kitshky - Apr 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM

      What is that even supposed to mean?

    • habsman - Apr 20, 2012 at 6:05 PM

      Yeah Drew, what do you mean by that?

  12. comeonnowguys - Apr 20, 2012 at 5:02 PM

    Chicago’s Police Superintendent says Torres hit “was borderline criminal conduct”

    So is most of the stuff that deals with city government. Even if that wasn’t the case, you’re still an idiot. We can smell our own.

  13. pone27 - Apr 20, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    Cannot believe people are debating whether its suspendable or not.

    Face it, Torres hits Hossa in the head while leaving the ice. The hit is ILLEGAL.

    Torres is a repeat offender, and has been suspended for the same style of play PREVIOUSLY.

    Wake up nay sayers. This isnt about the media, its about the player involved, the rules of the game, and the severity of the outcome. Not rocket science.

    • kitshky - Apr 20, 2012 at 6:07 PM

      I dont think anyone (beside the usual homer/hater suspects) is debating whether or not it should be a suspension, it’s more the mass hysteria calling this one of the worst hits of all time, the coach speaking (ranting) out on it, politicians saying ridiculuous things like posted above … and so on.

      No question it’s a suspendable hit, add in Torre’s history and you have a lenghty suspension no debate.

      To demonize this one play (outside of who dealt the hit) as somehow being so significantly worse than others that have happened in the League recently though … that’s debatable.

      • th86cj7 - Apr 20, 2012 at 7:03 PM

        Well said. I dont think any rational fans here or anywhere are distputing that this was an illegal hit and that Torres should be suspended and at length. I think, at least from my perspective and lots of people ive spoke with is the hysteria that has surrounded it. Yes Torres is a dirty player with a past history, but people are making it seem like he came at Hossa directly at his head from the other end of the ice out of nowhere. Wait, didnt Neal do that exact same thing to Giroux? Seconds after he laid the exact same hit that Torres had on Hossa on the flyers Schenn. And he got one game for both offenses! Listen what Torres did was dirty and cheap but he didnt take his skate off and stab Hossa he blimdside hit him, and the fact he got carried out on the stretcher changes everything and it.shouldnt. Two identical cheap shots, why should one be more punished more than the other because of injury? They both should have gotten several games, but everyone needs to stop making it seem like Torres pulled a Marty M or a Matt Cooke, the exact same hit happened just the other day and where was the uproar then?

  14. crazemastercraze - Apr 20, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    he continued in his heavy Chicago accent: “it certainly wouldn’t have happened if a certain Mike Singletary was patrolling the ice and, i might add, would be even LESS likely if the coach happened to be a man we all know as Mike Ditka! then, they would have to change the team name to DAAAAAaaaaaaaa Blackbears, bears, bears”

  15. bleed4philly - Apr 20, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    Even gov’t officials are biased. Ask Trayvon Martin… Oh wait!!!

    • kitshky - Apr 20, 2012 at 7:39 PM

      … dude. Come on, find a line somewhere.

  16. tlndma - Apr 20, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    OMG, when did they move Chicago to Quebec?

  17. makeubleedcanuckcolors - Apr 20, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    Wow what a comment. Have you looked at your own players latley, I didn’t hear the superintendent comments on the illegal elbow that was premeditated from Duncan Keith on Sedin. Where is the fair judgment that the superintendent is supposed to have, just lookin through rose colored glasses. Stick to your job and stay off the ice ya clown and quit letting your emotions cloud your judgment Mr. superintendent. There will be a suspension but I hope it’s 2 games and nothing more cause Shannahan was quoted saying that 1 playoff game is equal to 4 regular season games so if Duncan Keith only got 5 then 2 games for Torres would equal 8.

  18. dawglb - Apr 20, 2012 at 9:19 PM

    That guy needs to focus on the real crime in his city. What a joke!

  19. dawglb - Apr 20, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    After thinking about this guy’s comment some more…… He is pathetic.

  20. johnnyru131 - Apr 21, 2012 at 12:19 AM

    You guys are not very bright, he had a in person meeting which means it’ll be NO LESS than 5 games! Also anyone who thinks he jumped after the hit needs their eyes checked. Watch the video, he was in the air before he hit Hossa. You guys are a joke and lose all credibility by saying Torres wasn’t in the air when he hit Hossa.

    • jimeejohnson - Apr 21, 2012 at 1:09 PM

      Jokes on you!

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