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Torres suspended indefinitely, in-person disciplinary hearing on Friday — will miss Game 4

Apr 18, 2012, 1:25 PM EDT

Torres Hossa

As PHT wrote earlier today, Brendan Shanahan has all he needs to throw the book at Raffi Torres.

It appears he’s preparing to do just that.

The NHL discipline czar has suspended Torres indefinitely pending an in-person hearing on Friday, Apr. 20. The hearing, which had been planned for today, was deferred at the request of Torres and the National Hockey League Players’ Association — meaning the indefinite suspension will carry through Game 4 between the Coyotes and Blackhawks, to be played Thursday in Chicago.

The in-person hearing opens the door for Shanahan to suspend Torres for five games or more.

Torres, 30, could be in line for a massive punishment. He’s a repeat offender, having been suspended twice and fined once over the last 12 months. He also holds the reputation as a predatory checker that targets the head on plays where he’s not punished (like his hits on Brent Seabrook and Milan Michalek).

The optics surrounding his hit on Hossa are damning. The Chicago forward appeared unresponsive after being hit and was stretchered off the ice before heading to local hospital. Meanwhile, Torres went unpenalized and continued playing, finishing with over 20 minutes of ice time.

PHT Related

Tyson Nash received death threats for saying Torres’ hit on Hossa was clean

Raffi Torres is now Public Enemy No. 1 with the media

Hawks coach Quenneville sickened by refs non-call on Torres

Torres: “Just trying to finish my hit out there”

  1. comeonnowguys - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:30 PM

    Meh. They could have left off “pending in-person hearing” and it wouldn’t be out of line.

    • florida727 - Apr 18, 2012 at 3:34 PM

      Indefinite. 2 letters too many… at the beginning of the word. No place in hockey for crap like that. It’s the most incredible game/sport to watch when it’s played properly. Yeah, I know, it’s a violent game. It can still be that and CLEAN. This cheap-shot artist needs to go. Perfect punishment? 10 minutes outside the Chicago Stadium among the “public”. Guarantee you he’d never cheap-shot someone ever again, assuming he survives.

  2. shutyourfivehole - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    Poster child. Make a statement. 50 games. It’s not like he head-hunted Jody Shelley or something, it was Marian Hossa, an actual hockey player.

    • challer9 - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:32 PM

      Hahaha, disagree with the 50 games, agree with the “real hockey player” comment.

    • challer9 - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:33 PM

      Hahaha, disagree with the 50 games, agree with the “actual hockey player” comment.

    • lsxphotog - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:39 PM

      Yeah, I don’t agree with 50 games, but something enormous should come down. Raffi just doesn’t get it. Something needs to get through that he needs to be more cautious.

      • ndmick - Apr 18, 2012 at 5:56 PM

        50 isnt enough….career….that is what he potentially takes from the player he cheap shots…and cheap shots need to stop….the game is rough to begin with, I am for a good check, whether into the boards or mid ice. This guy is on the ice for one reason, and he was very successful. Stars should be protected somewhat, but still are on the ice…the game loses when a star is out, and to have a clown like Torres do this time and again, enough.

    • barkar942 - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:04 PM

      Just ask Brandon Dubinsky. He will confirm that Shelly is not a real hockey player!

  3. challer9 - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    Shanny needs more time to think apparently, which means he needs more time to screw it up. All joking aside, at this point it seems appropriate though.

    • napoleonblownapart6887 - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:43 PM

      I think people really are more interested in whether or not you agree with shutyourfivehole’s statement about 50 games, or the “actual hockey player” comment.

  4. mehetmet - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    Guess he didn’t go with the James Neal “I was trying to jump out of the way, not into him” defense

  5. baywatchboy - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    Indefinite? Finally something I can agree with. Whatever the number of games it end up being, the remanning games that can’t be served during the playoffs should be carried over to next season and doubled.

  6. seaner44 - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    Well done Shanny. Torres has been dirty his whole carrear and absolutely deserves everything he gets.

  7. hockinj25 - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    Looks like they finally are going to get one right.

  8. prolibertate85 - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:42 PM

    Oh good, cant wait to hear the explanation on why it’s more than Keith’s.

    • phillyphever - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:47 PM

      Let it go already. Even with Daniel, Vancouver was set to choke anyway.

      • kitshky - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:20 PM

        …and that “fact” makes Keith’s hit less predatory than Torres why?

        Of course Torres history has to be taken into account and I’m not defending him at all for this hit but this era of selective outrage that we live in does make it hard to have a decent conversation.

    • comeonnowguys - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:54 PM

      Does it matter? You’re not going to actually listen to it anyway.

    • bloggersarenotjournalists - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:03 PM

      Keith is a star
      Torres is not

      Sit him for the rest of the playoffs and 10 games next year, and then when Chicago plays Torres again, you dress a AHL goon and tab him on the shoulder and say “sic ’em” and you rag-doll Torres and beat his face in until satisfied.

      And if Torres pulls a Steve Moore and tries to skate away from “get what’s coming to him” you f’in JUMP him from behind and beat him anyways, and if that results in him breaking his neck.

      Ohhhhh Well

      • esracerx46 - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:55 PM

        Dress an AHL goon….Oh, you mean Danny Carcillo? As far as Steve Moore is concerned, what he did to Marcus Naslund is absolutely nothing with what Bertuzzi did to Moore. Bertuzzi should never have been able to step on the ice again. What Torres and Bertuzzi did was just disgusting

      • bloggersarenotjournalists - Apr 18, 2012 at 3:00 PM


  9. phillyphever - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    Rest of the playoffs and 15 games next season. Torres makes Matt Cooke (pre this year) look like a Lady Byng winner/

  10. mathpete13 - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    B.S. isn’t batting at a very high % this round…what 1 for 7

    What makes you think he’ll go 2 for 8…

  11. michiganhockey11 - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    I would say he’ll be gone for a long time, but with what we have seen dished out so far in Round 1, I can’t say that I’ll be surprised by anything that Shanny does at this point. Personally, he’s got to get at least what Asham got (I think Asham should have gotten more-I’m my opinion). I’ll say at minimum, he’ll get 5-6 games. And hope whatever balance, if any, carries over into next year.

    Anyone know for sure if Hossa has a broken jaw?

    • chiadam - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:01 PM

      Your name leads me to believe you’re a Wings fan. Let me quickly say that more teams should play like the Wings do. They don’t resort to the dirty play that certain teams (Vancouver, Pitt, St. Louis) are known for. In related news, they’re a threat to win the Cup every single year. Cheap, dirty teams don’t win ****.

      • twopadstack31 - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:12 PM

        St. Louis? You’re kidding me right? 1 suspension all year. And vancouver isn’t dirty, they are divers.

      • seaner44 - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:57 PM

        Boston won last year

    • HawaiiHockey - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:22 PM

      I think Shanahan will probably be heavy handed the rest of the playoffs. He’s come out to defend himself twice this playoffs, and his boss has come out once. I think even the higher ups are starting to realize the mistakes of not being tougher on unnecessary violence this year. There isn’t one article in main stream media or otherwise that praises the NHL’s decisions this year. Its almost entirely negativity sprinkled with “this decision was good- more should be like that.” etc…

  12. chiadam - Apr 18, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    So, will Shanahan actually be dressed up like a clown for the hearing? Will he ride in on a unicycle and squirt a flower on his lapel? And will he speak when announcing the suspension, or will he opt to honk a horn?

  13. mydadyourmom - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    Should be 5 games tops. Media and Raffi haters blowing it up large.

    • sabatimus - Apr 18, 2012 at 4:42 PM

      And what are the Raffi FANS doing?

  14. rtrmusic - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    If Matt Cooke got 18 games, Torres should get the same

  15. themohel - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Ha! Go easy on the Van fans, they’re sensitive. It’s very tough for them to face the reality that their Cup window is closing rapidly. It causes them to lash out irrationally. The two biggest obstacles in recent years have been the Hawks and Bruins; do you see how unhinged they become when discussing those teams? Wow!

    • kitshky - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:25 PM

      No one gets “unhinged” faster than a Canuck hater at the sheer mention of the city or team.

      Get a grip, no one’s defending Torres but I think it’s only fair to ask where this outrage was out of Chicago when Keith knocked out the reigning Art Ross winner from the Playoffs with a premediated flying elbow to the face … and to point out the ridiculous claims that Daniel “deserved it” or was “faking” to get Keith suspended.

      Whatever Shanahan does with this one, he’s already failed this year worse than Colie ever could have.

      • davebabychreturns - Apr 18, 2012 at 3:13 PM

        In fairness, Campbell would have had to have made an attempt to improve something (anything) in order to be considered a failure on the level of Shanahan.

        Hopefully Brendan renegotiates the terms of his employment with the league in the offseason, because right now he is taking his marching orders from the league and from the owners and it’s his credibility suffering for it.

      • kitshky - Apr 18, 2012 at 3:20 PM

        This is true, I think it’s easy to forget just how ridiculous Campbells rotating dartboard or “justice” was.

  16. bloggersarenotjournalists - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:11 PM

    Oh ya, All these cheap hits on star players we are seeing

    Rarely happened in the 80’s

    It’s called the instigator rule and the league stupidly chasing off all the enforcers

    Guys like Cooke and Torres never would have dared back then.

    And when one FILTHY STINKY LIL RAT named Steve Moore ran from punishment and got his own neck broke (there I said it) it handcuffed enforcing even more.

  17. monarch897 - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    He should be out the remainder of the playoffs and then, depending on how many games thats is, they should re-evaluate for next season.

    This dude needs to pay for this it could end someone’s career or worse. There is nothing sportsmanlike about it or him.

  18. twopadstack31 - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:20 PM

    The only bad thing about this hit is the unfortunate fact that hossa was badly hurt. If hossa had his head up his head wpuldnt have been touched amd it wasn’t the princupal point of contavt as it was. One skate left the ice, not both. In other words, he did not leap into him. I hate torres but it should’ve been 2min for roughing b.c it may have been a bit late.

  19. sabatimus - Apr 18, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    Just do what they did to Matt Cooke last season: suspend him for the rest of the playoffs (de facto, I know, because Pittsburgh didn’t make it past the first round), and then prior to the following season have the league and his team threaten him with absolutely severe punishment if he does anything dirty that year.

    What’s Cooke done this year? NOTHING. So it WORKS.

  20. dowhatifeellike - Apr 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    Sit him down as long as it takes for Hossa to get back. Just like a high-sticking penalty is either 2 or 4 minutes depending on how badly the guy was hurt, suspensions for illegal hits should be the same. There’s no fairness in Hossa taking an illegal hit, then seeing the guy who did it back on the ice while Hossa is still laid up.

    • th86cj7 - Apr 18, 2012 at 4:30 PM

      so if Hossa had gotten up and skated to the bench then nothing for Torres?

      • dowhatifeellike - Apr 18, 2012 at 4:41 PM

        What? No. There should be a minimum penalty for a dirty hit but the maximum should be as long as the player who was hit is out of the lineup.

  21. nydaniel - Apr 18, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    I’ve got nothing in this series, I don’t care about either of these teams.
    I watched the video after seeing his comment that he’d just finished his check, so I was expecting a hard but relatively clean hit. What I saw was assault with intent to injure, ‘just finishing my check’ my fat rump.
    He’s a repeater? 3 times in the last 12 months??
    That boy needs a year off to think about it, possibly more.
    I LOVE a nice clean hip check (which you seem to see so rarely these days) but that goonery has no place in the NHL, or it shouldn’t. If it were up to me he’d be retired and playing in some other league for the rest of his career.

  22. th86cj7 - Apr 18, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    did i miss something here? Neal gets one game for the exact same hit minus the stretcher? plus going after giroux 42 seconds later “headhunting”, and Torres is now going to be banned for life? Are we serious? in no way am I condoning Torres he is absolute scum, but lets be serious here, what Neal did was 100 times more aggregious, deliberate and intentful. One game suspension for Neal and then Backstrum gets the same? and then Torres has the exact same hit Neal had on Schenn, but all Neal had to say was he was jumping to get out of the way and he gets one game, and Torres is going to get probably 20 games because Hossa got hurt? Let me ask this, which is worse? Assault or Attempted Murder? You might think that is crazy or over the top, but I am a lawyer and I have been pondering this all day. Mind you I am neither a fan of either team involved in these series, my team enjoys a lead as of now, ha, but what Shanny has failed to do is take into account the intent of this crap happening. The idea of stopping concussions and protecting players was to protect heads and deliberate acts. Yet Weber goes directly at the head and gets nothing, Neal goes twice deliberately at th head and gets one game. Shaw kind of runs into a goalie who flops like a fish and gets 3 and now Torres has a definite dirty hit with an awful outcome and is going to get the most. Its not right, what Torres did was not right, but out of all the things in the playoffs it was probably the 5th worst behind Neal, the Senators beatdown of Boyle while he was defenseless, Ashem, and Weber. Why do we keep forgetting about the intent here? There is no doubt Torres meant to light Hossa up but in no way do i think he chased him down for 200 ft like Neal did to Giroux and try and take his head off. Hockey is going to lose a lot of sensible fans if Shanny does not get his act together.

  23. 2fries - Apr 18, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    The Offending Player causes harm to the Injured Player and the Injured Players’ team.

    The Offending Player should miss a minimum number of games, for example 3 games.

    The Offending Player should miss games not only equal to the number of games missed by the Injured Player, but at a geometrically increasing number of games, so that the Offending Player and the team he plays for receive a penalty commensurate with the injury.

    Punishment Formula: (for all the Excel types)
    Offending Player Games Missed =ROUND(Injured Player Games Missed+3+Injured Player Games Missed/2,0)


    Missed Offending Player Games Banned
    0 3
    1 5
    2 6
    3 8
    4 9
    5 11
    6 12
    7 14
    8 15
    9 17
    10 18
    11 20
    12 21
    13 23
    14 24
    15 26
    16 27
    17 29
    18 30
    19 32
    20 33

    Perhaps there should be a miximum penalty, as it may be difficult to relate the cause a single injury to the effect of a forced retirement of a player. If the Offending Player ends the career of the Injured Player, the Offending Player misses 88 games.

    Regardless of the variable of the formula, it’s obvious that the NHL needs something more predictable than the arbitrary sentences that are passed down by the NHL’s chief player disciplinarian.

    • th86cj7 - Apr 18, 2012 at 4:04 PM

      so Matt Cooke should be banned for life because he in all tense and purposes ended Marc Savard’s career?

      • 2fries - Apr 18, 2012 at 4:10 PM

        As I stated at the end, perhaps there should be a maximum penalty for career-ending hits. I agree that it’s hard to assign full responsibility to a single hit on a player that has suffered from multiple concussions.

        But, I think it’s indisputable that severe injuries that are the result of reckless hits are not in the best interests of players, teams, or fans.

  24. th86cj7 - Apr 18, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    So what about wreckless stupid indefenseless hits that dont result in injury? I like your theory here but its too much riding on the outcome and not the intent, there are lots of hits in the NHL that are borderline and guys are out for a long time, and then there are dirty dirty hits where guys are fine, or clean hits where guys are out for a season, I think Shanny and the league’s biggest issue is not looking at intent and instead looking at injury. Like i said in my post what is worse, attempted murder or assault. Its ok that I tried to take your head off because your ok? But its not ok that gave a you a relatively cheap shot and your hurt? Hey I tried to shoot you but dont worried I missed its alright! But hey I punched you in the face and now your jaw is broken and I am in way more trouble than you. That makes absolutely zero sense in my eyes

    • 2fries - Apr 18, 2012 at 4:30 PM

      Good point. I agree that there are many players in the heat of the game that would like to do more harm than they accomplish. Likewise, there are those that may not intend to harm a player, but the injuries happen regardless. It’s hard to judge uncontrolled anger.

      But, when injuries do occur and penaties are given out by the NHL, the Offending Player’s history can be taken into acccount.

    • dowhatifeellike - Apr 18, 2012 at 4:35 PM

      You’re overthinking this. Injuries within the rules are a risk that players accept. It happens. Being injured by actions that are expressly forbidden by the rulebook are not part of the accepted risks and the offender should be punished accordingly.

      To semi-borrow your analogy:

      A guy steps on your foot while you’re playing basketball and you roll your ankle – no punishment. Rolled ankles are an accepted risk when playing basketball.

      A guy shoots at you while you’re playing basketball, but misses – he goes to prison for 5 years. Being shot at is not an accepted risk of playing basketball.

      A guy shoots and kills you while you’re playing basketball – he goes to prison for 20 years. Being murdered is not an accepted risk of playing basketball.

  25. thehighcountrybear - Apr 18, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    True enough…unless a player was foolish enough to be armed with a bag of Skittles, then it’s open season regardless of the sport. One can never be sure…

  26. th86cj7 - Apr 18, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    Great analogy but what I think is the grey area and for a lot of people I think as well is the area where the actions happen, where you say the guy kills you, say something thats not completely not an accepted risk but also not not an accepted risk. For example, if you get checked into the boards and the guy leaves his feet and comes high and catches you in the face, its not out of the realm of possibility for hockey, but it is not a hockey play. But then a guy comes from the other end of the ice at full speed going directly at your head, something you would never be prepared for, your not assuming that risk, no one would expect someone to ever do that. Thats where I think Shanny is missing here. No one would expect someone to come from behind them and grab their head and slam it into the glass twice or take off their glove and sucker punch them 11 times while they dont fight back.

  27. xaf605 - Apr 18, 2012 at 4:49 PM

    That scum Torres should be banned from the league forever he is a pathetic excuse for a true hockey player what a loser

  28. wisbadgers - Apr 18, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    Let me get this straight. Duncan Keith can elbow Daniel Sedin to the head and Chicago fans feel like it’s gritty, hard nosed play. But Marion Hossa gets leveled by Raffi Torres and some idiots feel like he deserves a 50 game suspension? Sedin still hasn’t played since the hit.
    I’m not saying Torres’ hit was anything but a nasty cheap shot, all I’m saying is don’t live in glass houses.
    Some people feel this is karma for Shaw trying to decapitate Smith in Game 2 (you can believe he was acting all you want, Shaw had ample amount of time to move out of the way or change direction) or trying to take out Vrbata in Game 1.
    Here’s the point where the Chicago fans in glass houses reply that I know nothing or click thumbs down cause sometimes, the truth hurts.
    FYI…go Canucks!!!

  29. thehighcountrybear - Apr 18, 2012 at 6:33 PM

    wisbadgers: I don’t recall anyone on any blog anywhere suggesting Keith’s elbow was a legitimate hockey play. The negative flow was directed at Sedin for a shoulder to Keith’s head earlier in the game that may or may not have been intended. Shanahan, afraid of recrimination from the whining sops constituting Canucks management, managed to overlook the Sedin shoulder as a contributing factor…? Perhaps Hawks management should adopt the whining tactics employed by Vancouver in seeking justice. And, I doubt Keith expected to concuss Sedin, just rattle his cage, whereas a jackal like Torres has sufficient history to know well in advance what the consequence of a leaping collision between speeding players will produce. Best cure…feed the prick a face full of hot lumber next time he leaps and drop him like the sack of garbage he is!

  30. hsnepts - Apr 18, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    The NHL will never be able to foster respect between players. Those days are over. There’s too much money now – the scrubs will do whatever it takes to play in the NHL.

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