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Discuss: Flyers win 8-4, take commanding 3-0 series lead

Apr 15, 2012, 6:25 PM EDT


We’d been waiting for the bad blood to make an appearance in this intrastate rivalry between the Penguins and Flyers and with Pittsburgh desperate to get back in the series, it was out with a vengeance.

The problem for Pittsburgh, however, was that they still didn’t get any defense or goaltending and the Flyers took it home 8-4 to take a 3-0 series lead.

As for what to discuss in the comments, there might be a few things.

—- While Ilya Bryzgalov hasn’t been anything special, Marc-Andre Fleury has been worse. Does anyone want to take care of business in goal? Fleury in particular managed to look really bad today.

—- The game was littered with all sorts of bad blood and at the center of a lot of it was… Sidney Crosby and James Neal? When the superstars are mixing it up, you know things are intense. Seeing Crosby drop the gloves with Claude Giroux was something else.

—- Just how long will Arron Asham wind up sitting out for his cross check to the throat of Brayden Schenn?

—- Can we expect even more bad blood to spill over in Game 4 on Wednesday night? The Penguins are frustrated and desperate and the Flyers are… Well, they’re the Flyers.

—- One thing the Penguins did “win” in this game? The penalty minute war. Penguins finished the game with 89 PIMs while Philly had 59.


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  1. icelovinbrotha215 - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    3 down. 13 more knock knocks to go…let ’em in!!!!

    • miketoasty - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:36 PM

      Not with Bryz in net. Pens D and Fleury have been bad enough to make up for it up Bryz has been letting in tons of soft goals.

      • spiffy53 - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:38 PM

        miketoasty, while you have been absolutely incorrect in almost every post i have seen (and that is some accomphishment). i mean really aboslutely embarrassingly wrong, you are finally right. bryz looks terrible.

      • crazemastercraze - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:16 PM

        Flyers fans don’t see it that way. remember, they’re all caught in a metridex time continuum, one year removed from the last cup the flyers won 35 plus years ago!

      • lasallehockey81 - Apr 16, 2012 at 3:40 PM

        That’s ok craze… I’ve said it many times before.. once you have to resort to the “its been ____ long since your team has one a cup” argument.. you know your team is in trouble.. The most important thing, though, is THIS year… we’ll still have a shot to get that Cup whereas you… will just have more insults to throw at people… hope you enjoy that…

      • miketoasty - Apr 16, 2012 at 4:35 PM

        @lasallehockey81 Two things. First, as I have pointed out in some other posts, the and what should be only objective in any sport is to win a championship. No matter what other acollades you or your team acquire it all comes down to the cup, so that is still a valid argument, but it is obviously wearing thin for the Penguins being that they are now almost 3 years removed from their cup.

        Second, wasn’t it the Flyers in ’10 that came back to win the series in 7 after being down 3-0? I am not saying that I think the Penguins can do it, but being that there are still games left to be played there is always a chance for a comeback.

      • lasallehockey81 - Apr 16, 2012 at 6:35 PM

        Mike.. never said that shouldnt be the objective, at all…. All my point was is that 99% of the time when a fan has to bring up when the last time the team that is beating them down won a cup, its never a good thing for the current state of their team…and this situation is obviously no different….whats relavent to me is this year and this team…

        and as far as your comeback goes.. good luck with that one… when the Flyers came back, they had a jolt of energy in game 4 with Gagne coming back after being out of the lineup and having him score an OT goal at home… you guys are going to have the exact OPPOSITE affect by losing Asham, most likely Neal and possible Adams for who knows how many games. Not to mention Fleury is playing like absolute trash… I’d really be surprised if you didnt get swept at this point..

  2. icelovinbrotha215 - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    And btw, for all you Crosby apologists, can you defend this?

    • miketoasty - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:32 PM

      I think its hilarious. Get in the other teams head any way you can. Sure Philly would do the same thing in a heart beat of they had the chance.

      • icelovinbrotha215 - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:34 PM

        Of course. Just don’t paint the ‘face of the NHL’ to be a saint.

  3. spiffy53 - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    crosby= absolute f’n disgrace

    • mjasper24 - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:36 PM

      crosby = the 3rd sedin sister.

      • loinstache - Apr 15, 2012 at 8:36 PM

        Oh please, at least the Sedins are mild and don’t instigate. Sid goes out of his way to poke the cubs and then hides when the bear comes around.

  4. phillyphever - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    Does anyone have anything on Giroux? I didn’t see him on the bench after the ruckus and he didn’t look good during one of those scraps.

    • icelovinbrotha215 - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:33 PM

      He was on the bench after cheap shot by Neal. He look wozy after that heat but he was on the bench shortly after.

      • phillyphever - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:34 PM

        Oh boy, now I’m scared. It better not be a concussion.

      • icelovinbrotha215 - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:35 PM

        Yea I hope not. Same with Coots. We shall see. Neal had a hand in both cheap shots.

      • phillyphever - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:43 PM

        Well, he’s speaking to the media right now, so looks like Giroux’s ok. WHEW!!!!!!

  5. spiffy53 - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    i guess the question is will neal be joining asham? defenseless player and left his feet. lets see if shannihan has the guts to do the right thing.

    • blkeskimo1785 - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:30 PM

      I’m sure the league will take a long look at the actions in this game and…do nothing. I’d be surprised if any suspensions came out of this one.

      • crashtheboards55 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:16 PM

        As a Pens fan neal and asham should be out ten games. Horrible display of sportsmanship and integrity. I am very embarrassed by these actions and if shanahan the pansy wont do anything maybe mario will sit them to prove a point. Classless actions by both of them.

  6. HawaiiHockey - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:30 PM

    A number of Penns should be heavily disciplined. That was a sad showing for the Penns. Period.

    • miketoasty - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:33 PM


      • HawaiiHockey - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:03 PM

        Doh.. haha.

  7. Matt - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    Two observations: First, with average goaltending and the Pens are up at least 2-1, probably 3-0. Second, there should be suspensions to come from this (Asham, Neal) but if Shanahan is anything like he has been the rest of the year, nobody is going to serve any time. Simply unacceptable that the in-game refs and Dept. of Player Safety have let the games spiral out of control like this.

    • bowens3181 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM

      “First, with average goaltending and the Pens are up at least 2-1, probably 3-0”

      Great comment. Now I want to get in the hypothetical action!

      If Bryzgalov was playing like Patrick Roy, the Flyers would be up 3-0
      If the Flyers had Gretzky and Lemieux, they would be up 3-0
      If Pronger, Meszaros, and Van Riemsdyk were playing in the series, the Flyers would be up 3-0.

      Guess what? Neither one of our hypotheticals have happened, and yet the Flyers still lead 3-0.

      Stop making stupid excuses.

      • Matt - Apr 16, 2012 at 7:05 PM

        Stupid excuses? All season long Fleury has been a better goalie than Bryzgalov. It was entirely expected that he would be better here too. He hasn’t been, and it’s remarkable that the Penguins are getting trodden upon as a team for folding when their all-star offensive attack is still firing on all cylinders. Obviously the fighting, gooning breakdown is deplorable and suspension should be levied, but the Pens should still be winning if not for defense.

        Quite suddenly, Penguins fans are getting to experience what Leafs fans or Blue Jackets fans like me have suffered through for the past three years – obscenely sub-par goaltending. It is why they’re losing, and it’s why the Flyers are in for a harsh wake-up when they run into Thomas, Lundqvist, or the red-hot Holtby.

  8. billobrienschindimple - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    Every Penguin player has lost their composure. I’m ashamed of what Asham did. We’ve got the horses up front. Shero needs to clean out this disgusting D unit. The only 2 I’d like to see back are Tanger and Brooks. 7, 2, 4 all must go.

  9. eigglesnosuperbowls - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    Its so great to watch the big goofs lemiux’s team goon it up !

  10. Buffalo Grumblings - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    Outworked, outhustled, outcoached, outplayed in goal. Next step is out of playoffs. Early word is that Lemieux wants Crosby benched and he is going to suit up so he can go head to head with his old teammate. This team must have been reading their own press clippings about how good they were. Still have to play the game.

  11. eigglesnosuperbowls - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    He’s got the moves like Jagr He’s got the moves like Jagr !

  12. invaiduh - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:41 PM

    pens = hair pulling, cheap shot taking, diving whiners…..

    that can’t beat us. ahahahahahh.

  13. emperorzero - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:43 PM

    The most entertaining game I’ve seen in probably the last 15 years.

    • jaybertx - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:51 PM

      I DVR’d this game. I will never delete it. I can’t wait to dump it to the PC, rip out the commercials and keep it forever and ever. :)

      • phillyphan83 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM

        Upload this to a filesharing site so I can get it! This was one of the greatest games for a Philly fan I’ve ever seen in any sport!

  14. nyrangersfan - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    I don’t know why every hockey fan complains about Shannahan not handing out enough suspensions. Think about it, do you really want to lose some real good players in the playoffs for playing hard, dirty and giving us (the fans) a show? I dont!

    • bowens3181 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:30 PM

      Thats because you are an idiot Rangers fan. The rest of the less IQ-impaired hockey world would rather see less people get hurt from unnecessary and dirty hits to the head.

  15. riles1008 - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    This series is borderline embarrassing for the sport . And the Penguins are making a joke of themselves. Disgraceful. I’ve lost the respect I had for that team, only reason being the insane amount of talent they have. Clearly they are punks

  16. jelliot1978 - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    Not exactly sure why Timmo got a game misconduct as Crybaby Sid went after him. Crosby was a disgrace with some of his antics. Should have gotten 2 minute penalty for unsportsmanlike for hitting the glove.

    Asham should get 2-3 for his hit then the punch after. Neal should have been called for charging, interference and it should have been 5 mins. Then he follows that up with a headshot so he should get 1-2. Adams should get one for third man in and his hair pull. It’s sad that Cooke is looking cleaner than some of his teammates!

    Grossman had a bad knee to knee and should know how that feels.

    • emoser - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM

      If Crosby was anybody else he would have been kicked out of the game along with Timonen and Letang. He was the instigator in almost every scrum throughout the game (and then ducked and ran once his teammates stepped in for him).

    • jelliot1978 - Apr 19, 2012 at 1:06 PM

      I found out why Timmo and Letang got the misconducts. It was because they were the 2nd fight at the same time which is supposed to be automatic misconduct. Be interested to see which fight actually started first Timmo-Letang or Crosby-Giroux. The refs/linesman may have picked Timmo and Letang because they didn’t want to take off each teams best player but instead take out each teams best 2 way defender. Now that I know what the rule was can’t say I disagree. If I were a ref and saw the two fights start around the same time I would have said Crosby-Giroux was first to keep them in the game.

  17. sgtr0c - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:51 PM

    Pittsburgh Nancy’s…. Really, allowing 8 goals each, in the last two games, and you are gonna act like you need to stand up for your team? Pathetic, for all the chirping about Philadelphia teams and Fans, Pens are kinda took the cake on that. You allow 16 goals in the last two games, sir cros is a special teams player, malk is slipping, and tang was over-whelmed……

    You lose a game 3-2, throw down, any chance you get……..8-to something, just sit down

  18. num1eaglesfanyo - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    Where u at GenoPringles? Cindy pulling hartsy’s hair apitamizes what a girl he is! COME BACK KINGS

  19. stakex - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    ….and John Tortarella got fined when he talked about the Pens being the dirties team in hockey? Wow.

    Where is Mario complaining about the dirty play in the sport, and the rampant cheap shots after a game like this from his team? After all, thats a big issue for him isn’t it? When Cindy was hurt due to an accidental collision all he would talk about was the dirty play in the NHL….. yet when his team plays one of the dirtiest games in a very long time hes dead silent on the issue. What a hypocrite.

    • challer9 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM

      The hypocrisy is enough to make you puke. What makes it even more rich is that Mario was made of glass when he played, he wouldn’t have lasted 10 minutes in this game without an injury.

  20. eaglesw00t - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:56 PM

    Crosby is a pansy and Neal should be suspended for at least 1 game. These referees are a disgrace. Pittsburgh is obviously a dirty team. It’s the referees job to clean it up, and they are failing

  21. phillyphever - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    Ok, now with my fears of Giroux all gone, I have to say this: Bryz REALLY got lucky today the Flyers scored 8 goals. Honestly, I’ve defended him for games 1 and 2 for the most part, but other than the first goal (IDK what Lavy was thinking having Lilja and Carle on the ice at the same time), he played like hot garbage. Defense doesn’t get a pass either, but Bryz looked worse. They better use the two days off to tighten up those problems or else this series is basically our Stanley Cup Finals.

  22. philly4lyfe - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    Break out the brooms on Wednesday do we can sweep this trash outta the first round!

  23. jssgriffi - Apr 15, 2012 at 6:59 PM

    Hahaha!!!knock knock!!! Penguins are such a dirty team! Have fun watching the rest of the playoffs Cindy!

  24. jaybertx - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    Crosby is still concussed. That’s the only explanation for him going after Hartnell. That would be a blood bath. The slap fight with Giroux was hilarious.

    Wednesday can’t come soon enough!

    God I love this game.

  25. slapshot2 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    Don’t want your hair pulled cut it like a man

    • lasallehockey81 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:13 PM

      Make sure Letang gets that message.

  26. garcia95 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    Pussby pulling on Hartnell’s hair from behind? Guess that proves what most of us thought, he has to sit down to p!ss

  27. kingjoe1 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    At least the Pens coach maintained his composure. Good to see he feels the same win or getting their butts kicked.

  28. garcia95 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:06 PM

    Yeah, real men have short hair. Dumbass

  29. johnnymags21 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    Been watching hockey for over 40 years. I’ve never been more exhausted after a game! Crosby’s one of a kind. I’d like to see someone take him out on his first shift Wednesday.

  30. phillyphan83 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    fyi fellow flyers fans, it wasn’t Crosby that pulled his hair, it was Adams during the fight

  31. slapshot2 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    probably has a hickey on his neck to!

  32. nfceastisbeast - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:14 PM

    JAYBERTX: How do you copy something from DVR to PC ? I’d love to do that.

    • somekat - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:16 PM

      There are video cards that can connect directly to a computer. Either via s-video, or avi depending on the TV. Radeon All-in-Wonder is a good one

      • nfceastisbeast - Apr 21, 2012 at 2:33 PM

        Thanks somekat, I’ll look into that.

    • snutchpro - Apr 15, 2012 at 8:25 PM

  33. thehighcountrybear - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:17 PM

    Sidney’s continuing to show himself up for the petulant prissy who’s had everything handed to him from the age of seven on? Faced with need to earn the ceaseless slobbering adulation from the Canadian sports media, Crosby’s unable to deliver as a player or as a captain. Reach back to their Cup win against the Wings: Crosby was completely neutralized, embarrassed himself and the game by failing to honor his beaten opponent, yet the media elevated his performance to god-like status; it had to eat at players like Jordan Staal who actually won the series? The fix was in in 2009…2012, the love affair appears to be over! Look for a marginal franchise like Predators to get nursed through the playoffs: read Shanahan’s ruling on Weber for a hint of things to come…

  34. crazemastercraze - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    the funniest thing is that the Flyers are the living embodiment of cheap shots! look up cheap shot on wikipedia and you’ll see a flyers logo! they’re fans got some nerve to complain!

    • seagullrice - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:32 PM

      Difference is the Flyers don’t hide that fact, not saying that makes it any better but at least they don’t pretend to be something they’re not.

    • somekat - Apr 16, 2012 at 3:18 AM

      Difference is, this is not the 70’s. The Flyers have not been that team for 35 years, I’d wager longer than you’ve been alive. They are nowhere near that type of team these days, and they haven’t been in a long time

      But if it makes you feel better

  35. tangfan - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    enjoy this philthy fans, maybe now you can find some guy out with his kids and beat him into a coma. everything about this team screams thug

    • lasallehockey81 - Apr 15, 2012 at 8:01 PM

      Everything about this post screams bitter.

  36. garcia95 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    My fellow flyers fan, it was before the fight.

  37. feva4theflava - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    Pathetic. That wasn’t hockey. Both teams should be embarrassed.

    • slapshot2 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:26 PM


    • chalkruz1989 - Apr 16, 2012 at 9:18 AM

      I don’t know why the Flyers fans would be embarrassed because it was literally the Penguins that were doing their best to hit, shove, and punch after the whistle. Retaliation isn’t always the answer but you can never let a team bully you. The Flyers played great hockey (offensively) and stood up for teammates.

  38. heyzeus143 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    you just keep talkin Philly, that’s what you do best, pens in 7

    • jaybertx - Apr 16, 2012 at 11:44 AM

      Don’t you mean Pens in 4? Oh wait… after game 1 it was Pens in 5… then Pens in 6… now Pens in 7. I’m not even a Flyer fan and get tired of this silly Penguins drivel.

  39. terriers4 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Hats off to philly. Honestly im not a flyers fan at all, but they really proved the haters and doubters wrong, including me. They definitely look like a Stanley cup worthy team.

  40. sleepers108 - Apr 15, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    At heyzeus

    Shut up man your pens are not winning this series playing like they are!

  41. mungman69 - Apr 15, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    Yea, I didn’t see much hockey in this game and NO defense from Pittsburgh.

  42. caps247 - Apr 15, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    Pfft. And everybody (especially NHL analyzers) claimed the Pens as the “Stanley Cup Favorites”. They are just destroying themselves in this chaotic playoff run.

  43. bobhpine - Apr 15, 2012 at 8:39 PM

    Aren’t all you losers eagles fans too?

    • chalkruz1989 - Apr 16, 2012 at 9:16 AM

      That’s when you know your argument is invalid, when you have to go to another sport to try and belittle the opposing fans.

  44. chalkruz1989 - Apr 16, 2012 at 8:21 AM

    I love hockey when it’s a physical affair such as the games that have took place between the Flyers and the Penguins but cringe when I see cheap shots such as the one from Asham and some of the shots from Adams, Neal, and Cooke. Keep it clean, I don’t mind if a Flyers guy gets annihilated, as long as it’s within the rules. I was a fan of Sydney before this series but as I’ve been able to watch him in entirety I’ve noticed that he really is coddled by the NHL. It’s ashame because his reputation is dropping faster than the Kardashian’s and he is an extremely talented player. With that said, I hope the Flyers go out there and just crush their spirits and make their run towards Lord Stanley.

  45. sillysporty - Apr 16, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    Jagr moves like a dump truck time to call it quits

    • HawaiiHockey - Apr 17, 2012 at 4:17 PM

      If by dump truck you mean a juggernaut that fights off defense with one arm and one hand passes between defense to a man in front of the net for the go ahead goal, then yeah- total dump truck!

  46. sillysporty - Apr 17, 2012 at 7:13 PM

    Come on a juggernaut really? The games much to fast and when he gets the puck is when he moves…only

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