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Discussion: Senators stun Rangers in dramatic 3-2 OT win

Apr 14, 2012, 10:22 PM EDT

NEW YORK, NY - APRIL 14: Brian Boyle #22 of the New York Rangers reaches for the puck against Zack Smith #15 of the Ottawa Senators in Game Two of the Eastern Conference Quarterfinals during the 2012 NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs at Madison Square Garden on April 14, 2012 in New York City. (Photo by Scott Levy/NHLI via Getty Images) NEW YORK, NY - APRIL 14: Brian Boyle #22 of the New York Rangers reaches for the puck against Zack Smith #15 of the Ottawa Senators in Game Two of the Eastern Conference Quarterfinals during the 2012 NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs at Madison Square Garden on April 14, 2012 in New York City. (Photo by Scott Levy/NHLI via Getty Images)

If it were not for the fact that this game went to overtime, the final score might have felt like an afterthought due to all the major incidents that occurred throughout the contest. However, the biggest story will ultimately be the Senators late game dramatics. Nick Foligno evened the game with just 4:37 left in the third period and then Chris Neil scored a mere 1:17 minutes into overtime to hand Ottawa a 3-2 victory. Just like that, we have a series again as things are knotted up at 1-1 going into Ottawa.

Here’s some discussion topics:

  1. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Apr 14, 2012 at 10:26 PM

    I wanted to see the Sens get swept. After tonight I want to see this series go the distance. Unreal game.

  2. sbs0311 - Apr 14, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    This was a despicable showing by the Senators, and I don’t think it’s enough to just suspend Carkner. The coach needs an extremely hefty fine if not a suspension because the attack on Boyle was clearly premeditated.

    That type of attack is what ended Steve Moore’s career and nearly killed him. It’s the same mentality, but, fortunately, the opposite result. We all know that such an attack is not Carkner taking things into his own hands. That was a setup.

    That disgusting act by Ottawa led to escalation and then a huge overreaction on an elbowing penalty that was simply a minor. It was a fast moving play, Hagelin has no history of going high on anyone, and it was just a bad result. It was well-deserving of a penalty, but a major? A ridiculous call and the flukey Del Zotto goal was off that penalty.

    If this is what now passes for NHL toughness, I cry for the sport.

    • bloggersarenotjournalists - Apr 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM

      I just threw up in my mouth a lil reading this soft and sickening account

      Boyle had it coming for roughing up Karlesson, If he was too stupid to know what was about to happen. Well he just learned a valuable lesson.
      The Sens will attack you if you mess with their star players

      Its a pretty common lesson in hockey, Stupid people and Cowards don’t learn it very well though, they think they can screw with more talented players than themselves and since there is an instigator penalty they can get away with it?

      Nope, he thought wrong, just like that lil rat Steve Moore did, and instead of defending himself he took a whooping

      Ohhhhhhhhhhh Well, don’t be a lil rat on the ice and you don’t get the reaction the Sens gave him

      And Im fairly certain Hagelin is getting suspended for that you called “huge overreaction on an elbowing penalty that was simply a minor”

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Apr 15, 2012 at 2:05 AM

        Have you ever even played hockey? You don’t jump guys. Neil challenged Boyle the right way and he dropped his gloves, so why you say Boyle turned and ran from “hockey justice” is beyond me.

      • bloggersarenotjournalists - Apr 15, 2012 at 2:16 AM

        Mojo, Ive played so much more hockey than you my friend dont even try
        Speeza used to bang this 40 year old groupie MILF in Mississauga, ask me how I know that?

        Yes, you jump guys, sorry but yup, you certainly do
        Used to happen much more in the past, a hockey past I know you witnessed, aka the 80’s

        Boyle took advantage and got his team the man advantage because he is smart and knew what was going down. And is Boyle hurt? lol Nope, he covered up quick and came out like a daisy.

        I tell you what, even Boyle himself wouldnt agree with you and most Rangers fans.
        If Carkner screws with Gabby or Del Zotto, yup he will coming flying in and jump someone.

        See the heart is pumping, you have teammates and its……hockey

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Apr 15, 2012 at 2:28 AM

        You sound like the kind of guy I would’ve hated to play against, not because you were any good but because you had no respect for the game. You don’t jump guys. It’s cowardly and nobody likes a coward, especially in hockey. But you seem to be an Ottawa fan so your lack of class and understanding of the game doesn’t surprise me much.

      • bloggersarenotjournalists - Apr 15, 2012 at 2:37 AM

        No Im a Wings fan, and Im the guy who protected you.

      • bloggersarenotjournalists - Apr 15, 2012 at 2:40 AM

        So you cried for Ulfie right? When Messier and Neely attacked him?

  3. biffnasty - Apr 14, 2012 at 10:32 PM


  4. elguapo12 - Apr 14, 2012 at 10:36 PM

    Wow, I thought Leafs fans were the biggest whiners out there…

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Apr 14, 2012 at 10:42 PM

      You back what Carkner did? It was one of the biggest displays of cowardice I’ve ever seen in the playoffs.

  5. gmenfan1982 - Apr 14, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    Yeah. The refs let this one turn into a free for all. Dirty late shots all night. Unnecessary shoving and jumping on guys near the net after the whistle. Carkner should get at least 5 games. Dubi shouldn’t have gotten anything. The hits and questionable play went both ways but Ottawa sure stole this one. Rangers didn’t allow many quality chances. Two flukey plays kept them in the game. I’m pissed.

  6. sbs0311 - Apr 14, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    Everyone clicking “thumbs down” go watch this clip.

    There’s your perspective. Get a clue.

    • bloggersarenotjournalists - Apr 15, 2012 at 1:52 AM


      When the untalented go after the talented, they get their faces beaten
      And if they try to run from hockey justice they risk getting jumped and hurt like Moore did, if he turned to fight and take the medicine he had coming, he doesn’t get injured.

  7. elguapo12 - Apr 14, 2012 at 10:47 PM

    ooooh, how deep…a Steve Moore clip. A tragic and flukey result of something that happens all the time. Bottom line, Boyle went after Ottawa’s best player last game and rightly had the tar punched out of him. Tortorella should be fined for not anticipating that. And the hit on alfredsson was 100% intentional.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Apr 14, 2012 at 11:21 PM

      Maybe Boyle did have it coming. But you want to go after a guy, you do it the way Neil did. You do it the way Bertuzzi went after Weber. What Carkner did was totally gutless and he’s going to get to do what he does best as a hockey player because of it…he’s going to sit.

  8. elguapo12 - Apr 14, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    No, not saying it was a great show of sportsmanship, but it had nothing to do with the outcome of the game as the sad sacks on this board are suggesting.

  9. gmenfan1982 - Apr 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM

    Total scumbag move by Carkner. Neil was being a scumbag all game too. Rangers out skilled Ottawa but Ottawa got a lucky bounce or two. So goes the game. Oh well. Blueshirts just need to set the tone on Monday. Send Rupp to take on Neil.

  10. nygdriveforfive - Apr 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM

    What happend was payback for boyles sucker punch to Karlsson in game 1. Tonight was nothing compared to what is coming the rangers way for that cheap ass head shot to Alfie. Its funny when the rangers try to play tough. They just skate around and cheap shot anybody who comes close. Sens in 7

  11. gmenfan1982 - Apr 14, 2012 at 10:55 PM

    And no one said it effected the outcome of the game. Just merely discussed how despicable it was. The Hagelin hit on Alfie was not dirty. Definitely got him high but it was not intentionally malicious. You are a fool to think otherwise. Hagelin simply let his arms get away from his body too much definitely worthy of only a 2 minute penalty.

  12. elguapo12 - Apr 14, 2012 at 11:02 PM

    Yes, he simply lost control. This isn’t you on skates; it’s a professional hockey player. He knows where his limbs are at all times…especially when he’s leading the check.

  13. nygdriveforfive - Apr 14, 2012 at 11:06 PM

    The hit on Alfie was the exact type of hit that deserves a suspension. Clear head shot. Dirty. No surprise coming from the rangers. Sens stand up for themselves and rangers respond with cheap shots. Sens in 7

  14. atribecalledkevin - Apr 14, 2012 at 11:16 PM

    Carkner did exactly what he is suppose to do. Stand up for his guys. Boyle thought he was tough when he was picking on a 21 year string bean. But when a guy his size comes up to him he turtles like a little girl. Sens sent out a statement right from the start. If ranger want to play that kind of game and think they can bully them around. They are sorely mistaken.

  15. sterogatory - Apr 15, 2012 at 1:43 AM

    Sens proved to the world tonight they’re tougher than the Rangers. Murray has put together a group of guys that will fight for each other. If you think Boyle got it rough tonight Hagelin has another thing coming. Hope Alfie’s OK, team will rally for him and come through big time at home game 3.

  16. bloggersarenotjournalists - Apr 15, 2012 at 2:01 AM

    If some no talent scrub went after Gretzky, Kurri or Coffey. McSorley, Semenko or Messier would do their best to remove your teeth on the spot. And if they didn’t get you them, they got you the next time they had the chance. And you were not talking your way out of it, and if you didn’t defend yourself immediately, they would destroy us anyways.

    The same thing worked in Detroit, touch Yzerman…Probert, Kocur are coming.

    There used to be no tolerance for screwing with star players, if you did, you did not deserve the “honorable fight” no no, you were getting attacked and you had better be ready.
    Funny thing happened…nobody screwed with Gretzky or Yzerman, played a long time and never suffered any concussions or major injury.

    I don’t understand people these days thinking that Boyle deserves anything, he screwed with a star player, Carkner skated by him in pre-game and told him to be ready.
    Boyle took the beating to get his team the man-advantage

    It’s hockey

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Apr 15, 2012 at 2:31 AM

      Those guys you name had enough class to challenge a guy the right way. Carkner didn’t say anything in the pre-game, that was Kenopka. You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

  17. riles1008 - Apr 15, 2012 at 2:06 AM

    And to the moron who said the senators are tougher than the rangers… Lol are you kidding me? A joke? Rangers are one of the toughest teams in the league. And the rangers have a coach who had each player fighting for each other like its war… Ignorance

    • elguapo12 - Apr 15, 2012 at 4:31 AM

      Phew. I’m glad we have you around to give official team toughness assessments. You’ve cleared everything up.

      ps. don’t wear your Messier jersey anymore. It’s at least three sizes too small now.

  18. buffalo65 - Apr 15, 2012 at 8:29 AM

    What a revaluation. Spezza slept with a groupie….stop the presses. What a scoop. I am sure you are the best player in your city league but a professional league like the NHL needs to clean up this vigilantly justice crap. It is a skill game, not a goon game.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Apr 15, 2012 at 1:24 PM

      Not to mention there’s more than one way he could know that. Guy’s just a name-dropping dust who probably likes to sucker guys so he can feel like a big man. Why else would he be standing up for Carkner?

  19. buffalo65 - Apr 15, 2012 at 8:32 AM

    As for Moore. He did fight to “follow the code”. He didn’t sign up to be attacked from behind. I am sure if Bert broke your neck you be sitting next to your lawyer with you lower lip sticking out too.

  20. mojosmagic - Apr 15, 2012 at 8:57 AM

    I suggest a cage match to settle things between Sens and Ranger fans. Clearly homerism effects vision.

  21. sterogatory - Apr 15, 2012 at 10:37 AM

    Riles – no joke. Sens are tougher. This win proved their mettle. Sens absorbed all the cheap shots from the dirty rangers and came out on top despite losing captain clutch Alfie. I won’t support the whole ‘Steve Moore’ argument, but Boyle definitely got what he deserved and Hagelin would be next, if not for an easy call for Shanny to suspend him.

  22. gaborik104life - Apr 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    WTF!!!!! was the common sentiment in my household last night. Game was rough never thought a matchup of OTT NYR would get this out of hand. Refs need to step there game up and stop the nonsense. Carkner wanting to go after Boyle is understandable because if they did it to the Rangers the Rangers would want revenge. However he attacked Boyle. Throughout the seasons I’ve learned to respect the players that stand up for there teammates after a star gets that treatment but Carkner should have challenged Boyle and let the gloves drop. Boyle should have to answer for his harsh facewashes of Karlsson but not be subjected to an attack like that. Dubinsky did the refs job and gets thrown out. That call should have been a penalty. Shanny messed up by not giving Weber a suspension and Carkner who will most likely get one just opened the door for arguments that’ll last throughout the playoffs. Hagelin should get suspended a warranted one however Phillips should get fined for his elbow just to send the msg of no more bs. Crazy game can’t wait for game three and hopefully the emergence of Chris Kreider and not John Scott as Prust and Rupp are more than capable of keeping things in check. Scott replacing Hagelin in the lineup makes no sense and hopefully torts agrees.

  23. mtheparrothead - Apr 15, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    $2500 sounds about right given the precedent you set right shanny?

  24. nyrangersfan - Apr 15, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    The Rangers need to dress big John Scott and have him take care of Neil once again. We can all laugh at how Neil’s hand comes a foot away from Johns face in slow mo while Scott pumbles him away and I’m sure all the Ottawa “tough” guys will tuck their tails in between their legs and run. That hit from Haggalin was just an unfortunate accident it wasn’t intentional it was just an out come. And also am I the only one that wishes Bickle would just beat Karlssons ass all over the ice for starting all of this? Oh and Ottawa fans if that puck wouldn’t have gone off Del Zottos skate accidentally you guys would have lost no doubt about it. Rangers will eat them the rest of the series, Ottawa has a hard time winning at home, Rangers are just as great on the road as they are at home.

    • danohalloranisahatchetman - Apr 15, 2012 at 1:34 PM

      Rangers are dirty and benefit from favouritism by both on-ice and off-ice officials. They got away with murder in that game and still got beat by the Sens. Heres hoping they go down hard.

  25. danohalloranisahatchetman - Apr 15, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    How the #%€£ does Hagelin not get a game misconduct for that hit on Alfredsson???

    Until the NHL applies the rules consistently from game to game no matter what time ofbyear it is, no matter which teams are playing and no matter which incompetent refs are working it will remain on the same level as WWF. Its ridiculous. The only reason that makes any sense for the blatant inconsistency in officiating is that the NHL wants to have control over which teams advance in the playoffs. Theres no other reason for it.

  26. crusty14 - Apr 15, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    Not a sens or ranger fan , so i am totally unbiased here. Boyle definitely should have expected some repercussion for his action in game 1 against karlson. Now carkner did kind of attack him, but boyles a big boy and should have stuck up for himself, then Dubinsky wouldn’t have had to help and get thrown out for being third man in an altercation( see rules, doesn’t need to be a fight, just an altercation).

    To the dude saying the elbow on alfreddson was unintentional … Take the ranger colored glasses off man!!! The hit was as nasty and intentional as many other headshots that have occurred. It should be a suspension , but we will have to see what shanny says, because I thought the weber thing should have got him a game as well.

  27. elguapo12 - Apr 15, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    Brilliant analysis, nyrangersfan…if the senators hadn’t scored as many goals as they did then they wouldn’t have won. Guess what, karlsson blew past the rangers d and the result was del z being turned around and disoriented; hence his panic reaction that deflected the puck in the net. Just as earned as any other goal. Lundqvist is awesome, but if the ranger big guns continue to be invisible they won’t win.

  28. drpompanoduke - Apr 15, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    I thought Penguin fans were whiners, new Yorkers put them to shame. The early fight was payback & really no big deal. Reading Ranger fan comments it is like Alffy used his head in an attempt to cause an injury to hags elbow.

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