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Danny Briere was offside on 3-1 goal

Apr 11, 2012, 9:09 PM EDT

Danny Briere isn’t the biggest player by any means, so the Philadelphia Flyers forward has become the leading playoff scorer of the post-lockout era because of his cleverness and craftiness. Apparently he’s good at sneaking by officials’ eyes every now and then, as the NBC Sports Network gang captured evidence that Briere was offside while receiving the pass that set up Philly’s only goal so far in a 3-1 game that eventually morphed into a 4-3 overtime shocker.

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It certainly wouldn’t be fair to pin a potential comeback on that blown call alone – some will quibble with an icing that wasn’t called, eventually allowing Pascal Dupuis3-0 goal to happen – but it absolutely helped to open up the door for a Flyers resurgence.

Conspiracy theorists tend to pile up against the Penguins, but any tin foil hat wearers in Pittsburgh might break them out if this game gets interesting as the third period approaches.

  1. pacoj68 - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    I can’t wait to read the comments from idiot Flyer fans defending this.

    • spiffy53 - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:35 PM

      yup, he was offsides. and the goal scored by the penguins was on an icing that was never waived off (look at the tape genius). and three penalties and three heads whipping back as if they were shot. ok, thanks chief. lets see idiot penguin fans defending that.

      • wyosig - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:45 PM

        no it wasn’t due to (i think it was grossman) engaged dupuis so he didn’t have a chance to play the puck

      • spiffy53 - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:50 PM

        nope. penguin was on his back and he faced the puck the entire time(and it was lilja-i think)

      • wyosig - Apr 11, 2012 at 10:06 PM

        Any contact between opposing players while pursuing the puck on an icing must be for the sole purpose of playing the puck and not for eliminating the opponent from playing the puck.

      • wyosig - Apr 11, 2012 at 10:11 PM

        negative

      • wyosig - Apr 11, 2012 at 10:14 PM

        oops, wrong thread

    • wyosig - Apr 11, 2012 at 10:07 PM

      Rule 81 – Icing

      • spiffy53 - Apr 11, 2012 at 10:10 PM

        the contact WAS while trying to play the puck.

    • manmean99 - Apr 12, 2012 at 12:51 AM

      STFU crybaby.

      • pacoj68 - Apr 12, 2012 at 2:06 AM

        I’m far, way far from a crybaby.

      • manmean99 - Apr 13, 2012 at 12:50 PM

        It makes up for the hundreds of calls never called on that goon Malkin. Enjoy!

    • markcycy - Apr 12, 2012 at 11:43 AM

      I am a flyers fan, I will only say we lost a Stanley Cup by a missed offside call thanks to leon stickle

  2. pens87 - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:17 PM

    He was offsides, but it happens. The refs are going to make some calls and miss some calls, it’s called being human. I can’t see anyone defending this since the evidence is clear, and it’s not like the refs are going to look here at intermission and change their call. The world goes on. Great, hard hitting game so far, hope the Pens can keep this up.

    • wyosig - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:46 PM

      It was pretty bad though, almost two feet over the line.

    • pens5829 - Apr 11, 2012 at 11:04 PM

      2 or 3 inches happens. 2 or 3 feet is just outright a shame. No excuse for a linesman that’s right there on the line.

      • pens87 - Apr 12, 2012 at 12:05 AM

        It’s true, it was a call that shouldn’t have been missed. You know the linesmen will really be watching it as the playoffs go on now though, so shouldn’t have to worry about it happening again. It was not the reason we lost though, some piss poor turnovers and a few bad defensive decisions were. Hopefully we can tighten it up for game 2. Will admit that philly will definitely have a lot of momentum going into the game that we will have to kill.

  3. riotact13 - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    And the penguins scored when it should have been called an icing. How about putting up an article about that?

    • James O'Brien - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:21 PM

      It was mentioned in the post.

      • miketoasty - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:36 PM

        If you are watching the game they showed that was a good play and was not supposed to be an icing. As for the offsides, it was pretty obvious, but yes it does happen.

  4. ravenscaps48 - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    That was awful

  5. phillyhoosiers - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    He was clearly about two feet offsides.. Even our Flyer announcers couldn’t spin that. But it evened out the non-icing call, which was just as bad.

  6. riotact13 - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    No I mean make it a headline.

  7. mclovinhockey - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:29 PM

    Hahaha so they make a post how he was offsides but not how the 3rd goal was an icing???

    • miketoasty - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:38 PM

      Because it wasn’t.

  8. riotact13 - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:30 PM

    No, no. Make it a headline.

  9. joeyjojoshabadoo - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    Offsides is soccer. Offside is hockey. Its not a case of ‘both are acceptable’.

    • James O'Brien - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:35 PM

      Fixed.

    • anythingbutyanks - Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 AM

      Soccer is offside, too, even though most people say it incorrectly.

  10. zak244 - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM

    Can’t wait to hear the idiot Pens fans defending the missed icing.

    • miketoasty - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:43 PM

      Nothing to defend. The player was impeded from touching the puck. No icing.

      • zak244 - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:54 PM

        Sure he was. And Crosby didn’t dive on the interference. Hearing footsteps yet?

  11. xhankmoodyx - Apr 11, 2012 at 9:55 PM

    Penguins never get any calls their way so this should negate that Flyers goal.

  12. mclovinhockey - Apr 11, 2012 at 10:08 PM

    Best comment is the pens never get any calls hahaha… Refs have one bad call each way that resulted in goals… Philly should get a PP in OT

  13. jason9696 - Apr 11, 2012 at 10:19 PM

    He was offside by a mile. But that was a terrible poke check attempt by Fleury. He went down way too early. Hopefully the Pens can pull it out in OT.

    • moolium - Apr 12, 2012 at 11:52 AM

      a mile is 5280 feet. ah NHL is only 200 feet. therefore he could not have been offside by a mile.

  14. stakex - Apr 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    I call this justice for the horrible penelty calls (or lack there of) that went against the Flyers all night. I hate both these teams, but the refs were certainly wearing black tonight…. and a blind linesmen helped even things up.

  15. amctjc - Apr 11, 2012 at 10:52 PM

    you should never lose a playoff game when you are up 3-1 with 10 minutes to play—-period end of story.

  16. redux12 - Apr 11, 2012 at 11:07 PM

    After how many calls have gone the Penguins way since Crosby arrived you guys had this coming. Sorry, but don’t expect any sympathy.

    Three years ago in game 2 of the eastern quarter finals, Jordan Staal (I think) picked Jeff Carter’s stick up off the ice, put it under his arm, and somehow got a hooking penalty called. The Penguins went on to tie the game on the ensuing PP late in the third period, win the game in OT, and win the series in 6 games. You guys won the Stanley Cup, and if not for the awful call, we could’ve had a tied series heading back to Philly for two games. Payback sucks doesn’t it?

    And lol @ the OP, Pens fanboy much?

    • redux12 - Apr 11, 2012 at 11:08 PM

      edit: not to mention the third Pens goal should’ve never happened due to a blown icing call.

  17. hank10 - Apr 11, 2012 at 11:22 PM

    Wah, wah, wah! Cry me a river. Maybe the Hockey Gods finally repaid the Flyers for the horrendous Leon Stickle non-offsides call from 1980? Or maybe not. Still, Pens get their way a ton so stop complaining.

  18. jimw81 - Apr 12, 2012 at 2:10 AM

    two words, Leon Stickle

  19. alexg114 - Apr 12, 2012 at 8:48 AM

    Was he offside? Yes.

    Was it so much of a blown call that Pens fans / NBC / NHL would have you believe?? NO!

    It was more like inches.. not feet.. in real time…

    when you look at the picture it looks worse than if you look at the video…

    Before Danny gets into the Pens zone.. he has his leg behind the line to stay onside… he tried to time it perfectly with not to break his stride going in on the breakway full speed…

    The puck was an inch away from the top of the blue line (as soon as the puck hits the blue paint there is no offside) and thats when danny brings his leg forward to complete the stride….

    if he had waited a tenth of a second he would have been onside…

    The linesmanin a split second was either looking at the puck.. or the skate.. not both and in that fraction he missed the (bad timing of a tenth of a second)

    • mikevee1 - Apr 12, 2012 at 10:31 AM

      It’s not that the puck was an inch over, it was that Briere was 2-3 feet over. You’re correct the linesmen’s eye’s could only see 1 thing at a time. He didn’t need to look at the puck just see 2′ of white ice BEHIND Briere when he received the puck. He blew the call plain and simple and for an experienced official, that was unacceptable. I would rather have the Pens lose 5-0 than to have a call cost the game. If it wasn’t such a flagrant call, every announcer would not have been referrring to it as the “offside goal”.

    • happyr0b0t - Apr 12, 2012 at 12:55 PM

      Offside is called the moment the puck completely crosses the blue line. Thus, if you enter the attacking zone while any part of the puck is on or sitting in front of the blue line, then you’re offside. Yes, the game is fast, bit your misunderstanding of the rule makes it seem like a closer call than it was.

      That said, bad calls happen. Teams always get screwed. The pens had a number of opportunities to win the game and blew it through nobody’s fault but their own. What this should show is that all these conspiracy theorists need to shut up. If the league really was in the pens’ pockets, would they really have let briere’s goal stand?

      • alexg114 - Apr 12, 2012 at 2:48 PM

        I am not misunderstadning the rule at all.. you are misunderstanding my post…

        The offensive team can be in the offensive zone as long as any part of the puck is touching any part of the blue line…

        So when you look at the play live.. Biere is trying to jump in the offensive zone the same instant that the tip of the puck touches the tip of the blue line..

        he is dragging his skate as long as he can as to not break his stride…

        Again I am not saying he was onside.. he was not…

        but it wasn’t as obvious in real time as many people are making it out to be…

        because the difference of when his dragging skate comes into the offensive zone.. and when the puck touches the blue line.. is less than a second… it looks worse because of his stride.. it looks worse

      • happyr0b0t - Apr 12, 2012 at 4:29 PM

        The only instance in which the attacking team can be in the offensive zone so long as any part of the puck is touching the blue line is if the attacking team already entered the zone onside. That is clearly irrelevant to the briere situation because he never entered the offensive zone onside.

        Assuming that, last night, both of briere’s skates completely crossed the blue line and entered the offensive zone at a moment in which the puck was touching the blue line, he would be offside. Under your statement of the rule, however, he is onside. The decision of whether a play is onside, however, is not made at the time the puck touches the blue line, and the positioning of the offensive players at that moment is entirely irrelevant. The relevant moment is when the puck completely crosses the blue line, and it is the positioning of the offensive players at that moment that determines whether a play is offside.

        I never said that you stated that briere was onside. I did say, however, that your statement that “as soon as the puck hits the blue line there is no offside” was an incorrect statement of the offside rule. My prior statement is correct, you continue to misunderstand the rule, and I completely understood your original post. In saying it was a close play, you are improperly discounting the time it took for the puck to completely cross the blue line, and everything that happened during that time. Yes, it was not a huge amount of time, but the refs need to see that. I’ve,seen them nail much closer offside calls than that.

      • happyr0b0t - Apr 12, 2012 at 4:39 PM

        Kerry Fraser did a good explanation of the offside rule on TSN a while back. If you wish, you might want to look up his “c’mon ref” blog. It won’t tell you anything different than I just said, though.

      • happyr0b0t - Apr 12, 2012 at 4:44 PM

        Last reply to my own post, I promise. In my briere hypothetical above, I assumed that he never touched the blue line after he entered the offensive zone, and that the puck eventually completely crossed the blue line.

      • alexg114 - Apr 13, 2012 at 9:36 AM

        I stand corrected I read the NHL rulebook and they are saying, the puck must completely cross the forward edge of the blue line…

        I have no idea why they have two different Off-sides rules.. for when coming into the zone.. and when already in the Zone.. leave it up to the NHL to be inconsistent.

  20. crashtheboards55 - Apr 12, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    He was more than a foot offside. Mo big deal calls are blown. Not the reason pens lost. Playing cowher prevent is what lost them the game.

  21. bobhpine - Apr 12, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    The Penguins still allowed two in after that. They deserved to lose. But heaven forbid if that same call went the other way and the penguins scored. These philly lunkheads would have had all of their conspiracy theories about how the “NHL wants Pittsburgh to win” confirmed.

    Maybe now we can abandon that conspiracy nonsense.

  22. Buffalo Grumblings - Apr 12, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    The bigger problem is the Pens just gave home ice to the Flyers.

  23. jhfixitguy - Apr 12, 2012 at 8:47 PM

    He was off sides but the Pens blew it PERIOD. My opion is why are the Refs not fined for blown calls? They fine the players BIG TIME, I think it’s time to fine the refs, maybe this one should not be allowed to do any more play=off games this year?? Just sayin…. I’m a HUGE Pens fan and you can’t blow a 3 goal lead in the cup play-offs, hope they get it together….

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