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Tim Thomas: “I stand with the Catholics in the fight for religious freedom”

Feb 8, 2012, 2:20 PM EST

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Three weeks after skipping his team’s White House visit and posting an anti-government statement on Facebook, Boston Bruins goalie Tim Thomas posted another political message on the social media website.

The message, in its entirety, from The Official Tim Thomas Page:

I Stand with the Catholics in the fight for Religious Freedom.

“In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

– by Martin Niemöller, prominent German anti-Nazi theologian and Lutheran pastor, best known as the author of the poem First they came….

Thomas’ post could be in response to President Barack Obama’s new rule on contraceptives that requires health insurance plans, including those offered by Catholic charities, hospitals and universities, to provide birth control to women.

On Wednesday, U.S. House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner — who is Catholic — blasted the new rule, saying, “This attack by the federal government on religious freedom in our country cannot stand and will not stand.”

Thomas’s Facebook page was created in Oct. 2011 and has been regularly updated with some of his favorite quotes, including ones from Theodore Roosevelt, George S. Patton and Ronald Reagan, among others.

Some people don’t think this is newsworthy, but it’s up on Deadspin so we thought we’d pass it along.

  1. goalieguy37 - Feb 8, 2012 at 2:23 PM

    this doesn’t help your team win games Timmy.

    • mistertbag - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:55 PM

      Tim, nobody cares what you think about politics or religion, only goaltending in a game. Even if you disagree with the government, you showed disrespect to the President of this country. And another thing, if it wasn’t for religion, we wouldn’t be having a discussion about controlling the ridiculous population that we have now. Now shut up, and get on with the game.

    • therapist1 - Feb 9, 2012 at 11:33 PM

      Tim, like most Tea Bags, you have zero understanding about the issue. It’s one thing to be stupid. It’s another to be dangerous for others

      This is about health insurance.Employers, religious or otherwise, do not pay for employee health insurance plans.This is about religious run, for profit institutions, like hospitals and universities, not churches.

      Employees pay for employee health insurance plans. The employer merely mails in the employee’s money.

      It is compensation, not a gift. Part of an employee’s pay, their overall compensation, is diverted to an insurance company. The employer does the paperwork but it is the employee’s money being spent. Their pay… their compensation for doing the work.

      28 states already have these laws installed. It became law back in 2000 under Bush.The president is just making sure all states are in compliance

      No one is forcing birth control on anyone. It is an employees choice under their insurance menu

      Now you want to strip millions of women of their birth control pills they’ve been getting for years

      You are an uninformed ignoramus, like your paramour Beck

      • jerseydevi1 - Feb 21, 2012 at 10:14 AM

        The uninformed ignoramus is you, sir.

        Did you ever read the statement of compensation that most companies supply their employees with? There is a line there for Medical Insurance compensation. Provided by the employer. So the company does pay for some of it.

        When the government forces a religious run, for profit institution, like hospitals and universities to adhere to these kinds of rules, they are, in fact, asking them to relinquish their religious beliefs. Have you attended a religious run school or been assisted by a religious run hospital? All of them that I have been to and attended have a disclosure statement about what they believe and you are required to sign it. This statement usually states that they will not do anything that is against their religious beliefs. That is the point, and why people choose to use these institutions.

        As a side note, since you seem to be the authority, which law did President Bush pass in 2000? Obamacare was passed during President Obama’s presidency. One more thing. Show me where The Constitution provides for any type of National healthcare system. I’ll even provide you with a link so you can go check: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

    • timthomashero - Feb 11, 2012 at 1:15 PM

      Why does anyone think the government put the Patriot Act and Homeland security in place?

      It’s not in case they catch some rogue terrorist so they can detain him. Look at your government closely for more than 10 seconds. Obama’s entourage and cabinet is stocked with with former executives from Goldman Sachs and Citibank. These people and their grandfathers have been bleeding this country dry since 1912 and beyond. Prescott Bush, Joe Kennedy (not half the man his kids were), all the Morgan’s etc.

      When the average Joe wakes up and realizes they’ve been robbed poor and lied to for the past 100+ years, there will be a revolt, no doubt about it. And when we hit the streets to march, we’ll be thrown on the ground, handcuffed and imprisoned as an enemy combatant. When was the last time before or after 911, a single act of consequence has occurred on US soil? These laws are conceived by the bankers (because no president can get elected without them), not George W. Bush (no matter how intelligent he comes off, sarcasm). When people cannot get any poorer and they have nothing left to loose, they are gonna go berserk. These laws are to detain American citizens. I wish I was joking.

      If you are an honest person and you don’t agree with this bleak outlook, all I can say is to try and be prepared for the shock of your life in the coming years.

      We have to support any body who speaks out and makes people possibly think about our reality. Tim Thomas or whoever.

  2. bcisleman - Feb 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    I see…ensuring that people who are treated at Catholic institutions have access to birth control is the same thing as murdering millions of men women and children. Right Tim.

    Meanwhile Tim’s teammates are quietly saying, “Shut up, already, Tim!”

  3. mrskunitzdrippinlips - Feb 8, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    I’ve had enough of this commie. kick him out of the nhl hes a disgrace to the human race. soup can army

    • hawksfanstuckinstl - Feb 9, 2012 at 4:31 PM

      he is as far away from a commie as you can get i think the term your looking for would be Fascist

  4. laurely515 - Feb 8, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    I stand with grammarians in the fight for proper capitalization.

    • barkar942 - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:57 PM

      And lest we not forget those of us who stand with proper punctuation!

  5. jpelle82 - Feb 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    i didnt really care or weigh in on the obama skip…i thought too much was made of it anyway. now this crap happens and i feel i have to chime in. just play hockey, save the politics for a post hockey career timmy. dont go hollywood and try to use your celebrity status as a podium, it just makes you look like another retard from boston a la Matt Damon.

    • nothanksimdriving123 - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:09 PM

      I’m one of the down-thumbers on this one. Why? I completely disagree with Tim’s White House snub, I think he’s woefully ignorant of US history, and I think everyone should have access to contraception (which would help reduce the demand for abortions). I probably disagree with most of his politics, but, I do stand up for Tim’s right as an American of whatever stature to state his views. I can explain why I disagree with him without resorting to name-calling. We need civil discourse, people.

      • elvispocomo - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:06 PM

        So, just when is Thomas actually going to say something about what he believes in rather than just spout generic quotes and comments that align with his (obviously) conservative views? I’m all for him speaking up as well, but why bother when you aren’t actually saying anything?

        He’s just trying to sound intelligent and informed (and he may well be, I don’t know) but it all comes off as someone who has no opinion of their own and listens to everything Glenn Beck says as gospel (which also may be true, unfortunately).

        Thankfully for him, he’s good at stopping pucks, although I’m sure he loves the extra attention he gets as a result for his ’causes’.

      • timthomashero - Feb 13, 2012 at 4:26 AM

        Backhanded compliments is about the best we can expect I guess.

        Calling someone “woefully ignorant” is about as reckless as it gets. I think I’d much rather be called something meaningless and generic than to be called ignorant of my country’s history. By the sounds of things, Thomas knows exactly what his problems are. The trampling of peoples freedoms, not complicated.

  6. solador78 - Feb 8, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    Tim Thomas is defending widespread sex abuse and its cover-up as “religious freedom” ??

    Wow, just wow.

  7. heycarl23 - Feb 8, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    Dont these idiots realize the pope said birth control its ok almost two years ago!? nutjob religious wacks.

  8. HitsDingers - Feb 8, 2012 at 2:45 PM

    I believe he stands with the other morons who don’t understand what “religious freedom” means.

  9. markdelleman - Feb 8, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    Not sure how credible this article is but if true does not make TT look very good again!

    http://deadspin.com/5880693/tim-thomas-has-not-voted-since-2004

    • solador78 - Feb 8, 2012 at 2:54 PM

      Does Tim Thomas attend church regularly?

      When was the last time he gave confession?

      Was he a choir boy?

      Would he leave his kids alone with clergy?

      The people need to know.

      • imleftcoast - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:38 PM

        Does he play games on Sunday?

        Does he have a uterus?

        Why does he think he has the right to tell other people that they have to follow his religious views?

        Is he equating the use of contraception to the execution of 6 million people?

        Was his account hacked? (Boston will suspect Burrows no doubt)

        Is he losing his mind?

      • elvispocomo - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:10 PM

        @imleftcoast: In fairness to TT, I don’t think he’s telling people they have to follow his views (religious or otherwise), but rather telling people what his views are (in a vague/general sort of way).

        As far as the rest of your points, they may be spot on – I don’t know.

      • imleftcoast - Feb 8, 2012 at 8:09 PM

        elvis, by referencing the holocaust, he’s suggesting the women using contraception are committing murder. If you don’t agree with him, then you support Nazis. It’s a pretty extreme message. It’s not love and tolerance.

  10. t16rich - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    I wonder if he stands next to them while they defend their pervert priests from the accusations of child abuse.

    • solador78 - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:05 PM

      “Then the government came for the pedophile priests and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a priest…”

      • paperlions - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 PM

        More like:

        “Then they came for the pedophile priests and I spoke up because I was Catholic but wasn’t one of the victims.”

      • solador78 - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:38 PM

        You missed the part where I implied that Tim Thomas was a pedophile because he hasn’t taken a stance against it on Facebook.

      • foodforthesoul28 - Feb 8, 2012 at 10:10 PM

        It is fact that there are more sexual abuse cases in Protestant the Church, and other Christian, Jewish, Muslim religions than there are in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is scrutinized because it is the largest non-governmental organization so it is recognized for every single thing that goes wrong. Not all Priests, in fact, less than an 8th of Priests have been accused of sexual assault or are pedophiles or sexual abusers. Those are the Types of Priests that the Catholic Church is trying to get rid of. Thoses types of Priests vulgate what they are called to (The Priesthood) I do not accept what those Priests have done. I do know that those Priests who are not like that, are great Priests and have a true love for God. (you may not believe in God so it would be like a love for your spouse but the most ultimate love.) Don’t speculate until you have exact evidence.

      • solador78 - Feb 8, 2012 at 10:33 PM

        12.5% of priests have committed sexual abuses?

        If that number is true, it’s staggering.

  11. kiopta1 - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:01 PM

    I am catholic and my cousin and sis work at hospitals and various medical facilities (not religious institutions). Does this mean that because they are affiliated with said church that men should have say over their health and health coverage? Oh and Tim stands for religious freedom but wants faith leaders to control women’s health choices and medical facilities? He should stick with playing goalie.

  12. barrywhererufrom - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    Not hard to figure out. Thomas’s analogy is that once the gov’t tramples one individual you will be next if you dont stand up for them. He is not comparing Nazi Germany to birth control. And btw if you are a practicing Catholic the teaching state that you should not use contraceptives. Pretty simple and that’s why they are against Obama’s health care legislation..capeche?

    • solador78 - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:10 PM

      The Spanish Inquisition would have better analogy than for Tim Thomas to compare Obama to the Nazis.

    • kitshky - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:39 PM

      First of all, the Governments new legislation does not trample upon anyones religious freedom. Making sure that Health Clinics give citizens right to choose to use (or not use) Birth Control is in no way an affront to any basic Constitutional Right.

      People use inflammatory expressions and comparisons to further their own overall political views, Boehner and Thomas aren’t the first, and unfortunately won’t be the last.

      Secondly, this has nothing to do with any wrongdoing committed by members of the clergy. It is disrespectful to the many well intentioned Christians in the world and just simply irrelevant. (No not a Catholic, and frankly not even close to being a supporter)

      His FB post is simply an inaccurate and inappropriate comparison. Once again Thomas is using his profile to make a public statement expressing his own personal views, if he tries to spin this as being “media driven” again (when this inevitably blows back at him) he’s going to look sillier than he already does

      • solador78 - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:54 PM

        This issue has everything to do with the criminal activities of an institution that has preyed upon innocent people for two thousands years.

        If Tim Thomas is going to side himself with that institution in a weak attempt to validate his own personal opinion on birth control, then he takes responsibility as an accomplice for those criminal activities as well.

        Based on the history of the Catholic Church, it’s rather obvious that they’re not the least bit qualified to give direction on social matters such as birth control.

      • laurely515 - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:15 PM

        I think that Kitshky is right here, and Solador78 is missing the point, both of the legislation and Thomas’ position on it. First, requiring Catholic schools and hospitals to provide their employees with insurance coverage that makes contraception available wasn’t done in retaliation for the child sex abuse scandals going on in so many archdioceses. It’s just one part of a wider implementation of the ACA.

        Second, and not knowing Tim Thomas this is only a supposition, but I think his opposition to this is based less on Catholic moral teaching, and more on his interpretation of the First Amendment. Again, not to put words in his mouth, but he probably views this as a violation of the Free Exercise Clause. I think he’d be wrong there, but whatever.

        Lastly, I do agree with the last part of Solador’s post; it doesn’t make any sense to me that a group of men who have all taken a vow of celibacy should hold so much sway over issues like birth control.

      • elvispocomo - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:25 PM

        @solador78: That’s too simplistic a view. That’s like saying if you stand by whatever your favourite team is that you automatically stand by any of their actions, on or off the ice. So if your favourite player gets suspended, should you also be complicit since you side yourself with them? Maybe that should get you a suspension from watching the games and commenting on any hockey-related articles while they’re out.

        And he does state he support Catholics, rather than specifically stating he supports the Catholic Church itself – not that that should make either a condemnation meaning someone supports absolutely everything that has been associated with that group.

      • solador78 - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:28 PM

        I didn’t say that the legislation was revenge, I was pointing out that Tim Thomas was taking a hypocritical stance by trying to save unborn babies, instead of trying to protect the countless sex abuse victims that were covered-up by the Church.

      • solador78 - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:29 PM

        @elvispocomo

        If you go to a Roman coliseum and a slave gets eaten by a lion, then yes you are complicit.

      • elvispocomo - Feb 8, 2012 at 5:20 PM

        So that person would be treated under the same law as the person who ordered the lion and the slave be in close quarters? And they should be lumped in with them as sharing the same views and condoning such behaviour because they both like being at the coliseum? What if they were just there for the architecture – the coliseum is quite beautiful you know…

      • solador78 - Feb 8, 2012 at 5:42 PM

        If you buy a ticket to the circus, then you are complicit in animal cruelty.

        The money that you spend on admission, refreshments and foam fingers ENABLES the immoral acts in question.

        Just as attending the Catholic Church and making donations, enables the sexual abuse, which continues to this day.

      • psujay - Feb 8, 2012 at 6:38 PM

        I support contraceptives, education, and the right to choose, but I also respect that some people do not. I don’t see why it’s a political issue at all, however, by forcing an entity to offer a form of treatment that is against their beliefs, the gov’t IS encroaching on religious freedom.

        If a faith based hospital is against a certain treatment for whatever reason, they should not be forced to offer that treatment. If a patient wants a contraceptive it is a free market and they may choose to go to a healthcare provider with that option. If I want a pizza, I know where to go. If I want a steak, I’ll go somewhere else. Healthcare is no less a choice. If a (name your faith) based hospital is against gamma ray knife surgery, should Obama force them to offer it? The government shouldn’t be allowed to force a treatment option any more than it should be allowed to ban it.

      • solador78 - Feb 8, 2012 at 6:48 PM

        If the government can’t ban or force something, then why does religion get to?

        Your argument sounds a lot like that religion that doesn’t allow women to drive.

        At least they preach headware as a form of birth control.

      • namriverrat69 - Feb 8, 2012 at 6:51 PM

        solador78

        By your logic everyone who has attended, worked at or supported Penn State in the past 15 years is a guilty 3rd party to Jerry Sandusky’s crimes based on your views on people who are members of the catholic church.

        Then again, anyone who is a hockey fan and supports pro hockey is a guitly 3rd party of the minor league molestations of young men by a professional minor league coach.

      • solador78 - Feb 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM

        Anyone that worked at Penn State or attended games with the knowledge that the people who committed the acts and/or covered it up were still in power, then yes they would be complicit.

        Just by working there coincidentally doesn’t imply guilt.

        But now, everybody knows what the Catholic Church has been up to and has been presented with a choice:

        1) Enable (pretend as though nothing happened)
        2) Resist (take action to reclaim the Church)
        3) Disavow (leave the Church)

        As far as I can tell, Tim Thomas is an enabler of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church.

      • elvispocomo - Feb 8, 2012 at 7:16 PM

        @psujay: I think the point is not that the Church as a health care facility should offer all available options as others do, but that the Church as an insurance provider (particularly for their own employees) should offer all available options. The government isn’t regulating them as a religion, but rather as an insurance provider.

        While some employees could choose to not work for a company that has practices they disagree with, it’s well within the rights of any overseer of health insurance providers (in this case, the government) to make sure they abide by the same rules as all others do. It is not within the rights of the government to regulate any teachings of the church, however.

        The Church’s religious freedom gives them every right to educate and inform on why they feel contraception isn’t an option they want people to choose. But as a health insurance provider, they have the responsibility to offer it and can’t prevent people from taking advantage of it (which is well within those people’s personal freedoms).

        Forcing their employees to find external insurance to get something the Church disagrees with, or pay for it when they’d otherwise be covered is not a part of the Church’s religious freedoms.

      • bethgoesglobal - Feb 9, 2012 at 12:42 AM

        Exactly! Just because contraceptives should be available to all doesn’t mean you have to use them!! Besides, for those of the more conservative persuasion, increased use in contraceptives would = decreased # of abortions!!

        Maybe Thomas is planning his retirement from hockey and into politics?

        Now that Would be interesting…… Romney/Thomas 2012?? Well someone has to top the call for Palin in ’08 :)

    • kbarrand - Feb 12, 2012 at 8:33 AM

      What if you work for a Catholic institution but you are not Catholic? They’re against birth control and they’re against abortion. That means the options are; no sex or huge families. I’m getting more than a little tired of all these people talking about freedom and then telling people how can or can’t live their lives.

  13. michiganhockey11 - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    I thought there was still an exemptions for private/religous non-profits (such as Catholic hospitals, etc.) to opt out of this? It just means that if written as a prescription it is covered free of charge, I thought? I’m pretty sure a woman can’t just walk into a hospital and demand birth control pills. This isn’t like 1985 where plutonium is available at every corner drugstore, Doctor Emmet Brown.

    Tim wants to stand up for what he believes in (or his interpretation of what he believes) and that’s fine. But comparing this law to Nazi-Germany and their occupation and exterminiation/attempted extermination of millions of people and ethnic groups is quite offensive.

    TIm, do you think this about Catholic/religious hospitals being required to provide free birth control when prescribed on a whim, or do you fear that good Catholic women will take advantage of this “temptation” instead of abstaining from doing the “hippidy-dippidy”?

  14. terriers4 - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    Enough Timmy! Did you not learn from your mistakes to keep your political beliefs out of hockey. Focus on playing in goal and winning some games and stop trying to create some noise about your politics.

  15. dfletc2 - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    Curt Schilling 2.0. What’s Beantown doing to these guys? Shut your damn mouth and play the game – NO ONE cares what you believe.

    Remember George Carlin’s Third Commandment (after paring down the others): Thou shalt keep thy religion to THYSELF.

    • imleftcoast - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:49 PM

      Mathew 6:5 – And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

      • michiganhockey11 - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:01 PM

        So anyone can boast their beliefs to the mountain tops, but what matters most is what you do/how you pray when no one but God is looking/listening??

      • bigtganks - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:14 PM

        ^ That’s for the OTHER Timmy. Tebow.

  16. solador78 - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    Saint Timothy is best remembered as the first bishop to let his mentor Saint Paul circumcise him “by his own hand” and also as that cranky old man who was beaten/stoned to death by his “pagan” neighbors when he complained that their ceremonial music was too loud and violating his own religious freedom.

  17. trbowman - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    I love Tim Thomas.

  18. barrywhererufrom - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    No exemptions from the law..look it up. And again I dont think he is comparing this law to Nazi Germany. I do not know why some people on this site dont get that. You never heard that saying before? Again Thomas is right. If we dont stand up and think its not your cause the govt will continue to erode our freedoms if we let them. Just think this whole health care debate wasnt even a debate at all. It was shoved down our throats..Thank God for people like Thomas who have the balls to say the things that people do not want to hear!

    • michiganhockey11 - Feb 8, 2012 at 3:57 PM

      Exemptions/no exemptions aside, Thomas clearly used a reference to no one standing up to what the Nazi’s did in the 30’s-40’s as metaphor/analogy to what he believes is an errosion of freedom. Equating errosion of personal freedom to the holocaust is a bit extreme. There are plenty of other examples he could have used, but instead he CHOSE to use polarizing and inflamatory terminology to illustrate his point. People that use an analogy of Nazi-Germany and the Holocaust to illustrate their point do no justice to what really happened and have no idea of the context.

      I urge Tim Thomas to come back home and visit the Holocaust Memorial Center in Farmington Hills, MI, speak to a survivor and to get a better context of what he really made an analogy to.

      Does this law change the right of a pharmacist to refuse women birth control pills or plan B if his ethics/faith prevent him from doing so?

      • solador78 - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:07 PM

        This reminds of the time that Bruins sportscaster Jack Edwards tweeted that the Canucks were bigger fascists than the Nazis.

      • johninpa - Feb 10, 2012 at 11:39 AM

        Ultimately, isn’t Thomas advocating an erosion of personal freedom? Doesn’t the stand he takes ultimately say that even if you do not practice the Catholic faith, you still must to abide by the rules of that faith? So when he uses the Nazi analogy, isn’t he more like the Nazi’s than the ones who did not stand up to them?

      • jimeejohnson - Feb 11, 2012 at 7:06 PM

        Those Canucks are bigger Fascists than the Nazis? Say it ain’t so!

  19. hibackhand - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    I only read this because it had “Tim Thomas” in the title.

  20. bigtganks - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    Notice how the Bruins have gone into a funk since he skipped out on the team visit?

    So sad… (not)

  21. 66gdub - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    Timmy’s really starting to sound like he’s taken one too many pucks to the head…

  22. crmgoodness - Feb 8, 2012 at 4:58 PM

    Fortunately Tim Thomas can stop pucks. Unfortunately Tim Thomas can’t stop himself. Like or not, when you use a quotation that elicits the memory of the Nazi’s and the Holocaust, you have made as inflammatory a comparison as possible. One that is completely without merit in this case. The fact is, this law does not treat any religious institution differently than a secular institution when it is an employer. As an employer, it may in fact be an employer of people of many different faiths. What it says is that contraception must be covered by the insurance offered. It does NOT say that it must be used. Catholics (and all others) covered by these plans are free to live by their beliefs and as free people continue to choose not to use contraception. If anything, the individual’s right to make a choice is preserved by this law. Where is the erosion of freedom?

  23. danphipps01 - Feb 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Man, you just love the cameras now, don’t you, Tim? Dunno why you need so much attention. The rest of your team, and the rest of the NHL in general, is content to play hockey. They don’t need cameras to validate themselves. Why do you?

  24. vipod4ever - Feb 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    That’s what you get for spending to much time in “Vermont”.

    • jimeejohnson - Feb 11, 2012 at 7:08 PM

      I think you meant New Hampshire.

  25. rwmilli - Feb 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    Religion is a joke, I’m Catholic and I laugh at all these people ” fighting ” for religion, my beliefs are everyone’s open to believe in what they want, if it isn’t catholic, not my problem, enjoy
    Your ” freedom ” of choice. Besides that, where in any bible does it say kill and fight ? Last time I checked we all had the same beliefs, no killing, no harming others, and everyone’s entitled to their freedom?

  26. proudliberal85392 - Feb 8, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    You can say whatever you want, Timmy, but I don’t have to like it or listen to you.

    • elvispocomo - Feb 8, 2012 at 6:34 PM

      TT doesn’t want to hear it either – he just wants to put up non-specific comments and then hope it all goes away without any media reaction. Tough luck on that one Timmy, get ready for some questions in Buffalo. Too bad he’ll say, “All I want to do is play hockey, so only ask me questions on that or I’ll stop the interview,” like he did with all the White House questions.

  27. markdelleman - Feb 8, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    Regardless of what you believe if you decide to put it out there in a very public arena like Facebook, as Tim Thomas has done, you need to be prepared and expect to back it up. No comment is not an answer when you have went out of your way to make your opinion known in the first place. Cowardice.

    • elvispocomo - Feb 8, 2012 at 6:38 PM

      I wouldn’t go so far as to say cowardice, but it does suggest he doesn’t really know the facts of the situations he’s taking stands on. He may well be an intelligent, informed person, but his non-specific comments sound like they’re straight out of someone else’s mouth. If he won’t comment on them afterwards, or in the very least provide clarification on what he means, people will tend to think he has no idea what’s going on and is just a sheep parroting other’s views whether they’re correct or not, and that may even be true.

      • markdelleman - Feb 8, 2012 at 6:54 PM

        Cowardice may be strong but TT is just throwing his beliefs out there and not backing them up with any sort of explanation or clarity. Cowardice is “lack of courage when facing danger, pain or difficulty”. He has the courage to throw the rock but when it comes time to explain why the rock was thrown he turns away with “no comment”. I can respect someone with an opinion, even if I disagree, as long as they can at least explain their position.

  28. richwizl - Feb 8, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    Tim is a hockey player playing a sport he loves in a country he loves. I am not of his religion, but I do understand his and many other Americans’ frustration with the Federal government over-stepping their bounds and trampling on the rights of religious freedom and the first amendment; while being overly concerned with protecting the “rights” of illegal aliens and homosexuals. The Gov’t controls education, too, and we can no longer measure up to all the foreigners who return home after getting educated in American top Universities that Americans can’t afford to attend even if they somehow manage to learn anything in our pathetic public schools. Thanks for speaking up, Tim; you have courage.

  29. crazemastercraze - Feb 8, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    Religious freedom? Tim, i don’t know if you’ve noticed, but christians have a BIG TIME history of constantly trying to push their views on people as the absolute(guess you don’t remember the Spanish inquisition). If the women accepting help from charities don’t want the birth control thats there, than i think they are adult enough to just say NO! but no, you have to have your way or the highway!

    there’s already too many people on this planet as it is, and until i start seeing catholics adopting in mass, you should just shut up about people who don’t share your pre-dark ages way of thinking. there is no proof that their is a christian god running the universe, never has been other than a book that was written when people were even dumber than they are now and is total hearsay.

    get out of the jesus christ pose, play hockey and earn your astronomical pay check for something that barely contributes to the advancement of the human race!

  30. beasleyreece - Feb 8, 2012 at 7:58 PM

    the catholic church is a multinational corporation. if it’s freedom they want, then let’s take away there tax exemption. otherwise, do the morally correct thing.

    • crazemastercraze - Feb 8, 2012 at 8:06 PM

      exactly. you want to get involved in politics, then pay taxes like everyone else

  31. rosco666 - Feb 8, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    It’s curious to see Tim Thomas do this, but it is certainly not meaningful. He’s just a shallow individual who lacks any demonstrated capacity to carry an intelligent discussion of the things he is willing to take positions on. Rather, that would be……….shoot his mount off about. Yet, when he leans in some silly direction, people get all twisted.

    Just ignore him. Give this vacuous ninny the attention he deserves…………….none!

    Tim Thomas has about the same intellectual horsepower as roll of TP.

  32. rosco666 - Feb 8, 2012 at 9:09 PM

    Thomas free to believe in something? Yes, of course. Anything can rattle around in his little cranium, and he is free to actually believe none, some or all of it. Who cares?

    Belief in something meaningful? Something insightful? Something brilliant?
    Understand and appreciate the fine points of intellectual thinking on a topic?

    Now those are something altogether out of Mr.T’s league. Way above his mental pay grade!

  33. charlutes - Feb 9, 2012 at 10:46 AM

    OK, Thomas is totally nuts.

  34. cprtrain - Feb 10, 2012 at 1:13 AM

    Thomas is one dumb right wing idiot who has now come out as a red neck tea bag. yes, he is entitled to his opinion but say something intelligent rather than show people how dumb you are.

    I love it when a jock opens his mouth and says garbage.

    I guess he’ll really be pissed off when Obama wins in November.

    Go Dems.

  35. 8man - Feb 11, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    Disappointed in Thomas. I think he’s attacking the messenger and not the message. Women’s choice is the law of the land and many healthcare providers are burdened with having to fund in-vitro and similar procedures when nature has ordained that those women should not breed. Those procedures are incredibly expensive, and we all pay for them through higher premiums, when in fact, the selfish cows should be picking up the tabs themselves. It’s cheaper for everyone for women to use contraception and avoid pregnancy, if that is their choosing. We all bear the costs for unwanted children and better to have fewer of them.

    As for Thomas, clearly his rants are becoming a distraction. He needs to focus on hockey or maybe he needs a change of scenery.

  36. falstaffsmind - Feb 15, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    No offense to the Catholics, but Religious Freedom isn’t exactly their strong suit. It never has been. Even in this debate, what they are really fighting for is their right to dictate their religious point of view to their employees irrespective of that citizen’s personal faith or religious freedom.

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