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Marchand wondering why Foligno wasn’t suspended for clipping

Jan 19, 2012, 4:14 PM EST

Sami Salo, Brad Marchand AP

Brad Marchand’s suspension for clipping Sami Salo is over — he’ll suit up for the B’s tonight.

But while he’s looking forward to playing again, he’s also wondering why Ottawa’s Nick Foligno hasn’t been suspended for clipping Toronto’s Dion Phaneuf on Tuesday.

“I saw it. It looked very similar to mine,” Marchand said, as per CSNNE.com “We were on the same position on the ice. [Foligno] got him in the same area at the same time, and the puck was roughly in the same area. The only difference was that Phaneuf got up and he didn’t get injured. I’d be very surprised if the league doesn’t look at that very closely.”

Marchand added: “It would seem a little biased if [the league] threw the book at me, and then other guys do it and they don’t even look at it. They seem to have set a precedent that hits like that are going to be taken care of. They’re going to make sure guys are going to get punished for them.

“It might be a little unfair if they give me five games [for a clip] and a guy does it a couple of days later and gets nothing.”

Here are the two clips in question:

For what it’s worth, I thought Marchand’s was considerably lower, but I can see why he’s upset.

Now go fight about it discuss it like civilized human beings in the comments section.

  1. tmjm621 - Jan 19, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    Screw marchand…hope thenlittle bastad breaks his neck. And no it wasnt then same hit

    • back2backbees - Jan 19, 2012 at 4:35 PM

      brilliant anaylsis sir…lay off the “n”s and the booze.

    • svensson1965 - Jan 19, 2012 at 9:11 PM

      Finally someone who says what we’re all thinking.

      • bobwsc - Jan 20, 2012 at 9:48 AM

        if “all” means 1/3 based on thumbs up / thumbs down, you must use the bizarro accounting methods. way to be a gutless follower Sven.

  2. imleftcoast - Jan 19, 2012 at 4:39 PM

    Brad should watch the Shanahan video. I think he was suspended because (i) he’s a bitch who can’t take a hit, (ii) he’s repeat offender, (iii) he lied about the hit after the game and (iv) Salo has a concusion and the Bruins questionned that.

    That said, similar to Marchand, Foligno pulled the d’bag move of pretending he was going to be a man and go shoulder to should and then ducking down. Foligno hits him at the waist, not below the knee like the rat face. I’d say it deserves a game. I don’t like the hit.

    • back2backbees - Jan 19, 2012 at 4:46 PM

      let’s see, Marchand is almost 5’9″ so of course he was lower.
      He’s certainly no bitch and will drop the gloves with anyone in the league.
      As for lying, he and the Bruins were merely stating their opinion.
      One out of four is your score today; not bad for a leftcoast bitch of your ilk.

      • imleftcoast - Jan 19, 2012 at 7:13 PM

        He wouldn’t go shoulder to shoulder – that’s why he was lower and why he’s a bitch (as are you, toolbox). I didn’t say the Bruins lied, I said that Marchant lied when he claimed he was defending himself. One out of three is your score, dickless wonder.

    • drewsylvania - Jan 19, 2012 at 6:44 PM

      Left coast, but certainly not left-brained.

      • imleftcoast - Jan 19, 2012 at 7:14 PM

        Whining Bruins fan, how original.

      • drewsylvania - Jan 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

        I think you’ve confused “whining” for “me making fun of you”.

  3. bigtganks - Jan 19, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    Big Canucks fan here, but I don’t see much difference. I think ultimately whether they should or shouldn’t, the league took the injury into consideration. I think Phaneuf had a bit more time to see it coming too, and Salo was between Marchand and the boards, where Phaneuf was on the other side. I’m surprised Foligno didn’t get 2-3 games though. I see Marchands point.

  4. Ralphie - Jan 19, 2012 at 4:50 PM

    Brad, you got nabbed because whiny Elaine Vagnault and gutless GM Gillis are champions at crying to the league. It’s part of the Canuck charter. Be dirty, sneaky bastards on the ice, incite dirty play and then get the Nuck power play on the ice. It’s a fact of life; when you take out one if their guys Gillis and Vag cry in the press, stretch the truth to fit their agenda, point fingers, call the league. jump up and down screaming and generally embarrass themselves. That’s how the Nucks carry themselves; they’ve made it an art form – from the front office down to the ice.They even tear-up press guides with Chara on the front cover up in the booth.

    Here’s a look for Elaine and Gillis. Maybe this is why they’re so unbalanced?

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/default.aspx?id=42586590&ns=sports-nhl&displaymode=1247&beginSlide=1&beginChapter#

    • ikillchicken - Jan 19, 2012 at 5:28 PM

      I cannot think of a more hilariously telling example of the rampant Bruins hypocrisy than this post right here. You bitch and moan about how the Canucks management whine to the press when something doesn’t go their way…in response to an article about Brad Machmont whining to the press because something didn’t go his way. You people are a bloody joke.

      • salmon90 - Jan 19, 2012 at 6:24 PM

        Ralphie – I think your post pretty much sums up this ongoing ‘disagreement’ between both sides. – fans and players. You’re put off by the Canucks whining to the press in response to an article about Marchand whining to the press. The sad part is you can’t even see that. I know I wear my rose-coloured glasses a lot but at least I have some idea of what the other side sees. “Thats how the Canucks carry themselves” – Right!!

      • Ralphie - Jan 19, 2012 at 7:34 PM

        Actually, this is the bloody joke:

        http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/default.aspx?id=42586590&ns=sports-nhl&displaymode=1247&beginSlide=1&beginChapter#

      • ikillchicken - Jan 19, 2012 at 9:30 PM

        Ralphie, that’s a picture of the Bruins hoisting the Stanley Cup. So…you’re saying that the your team winning the cup is a joke? Well, far be it for me to argue.

      • Ralphie - Jan 20, 2012 at 7:16 AM

        No, what I’m saying knucklehead is the “bloody jokes” on you.

      • mjdkid100 - Jan 20, 2012 at 11:17 AM

        No, no. Your birth was a bloody joke. Bruins are Cup Champions.

  5. spizzjr - Jan 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM

    Hahahahahaha honestly in the 80s the league would have applauded foligno old time hockey is truly dead sad as it may be its dead

  6. hsnepts - Jan 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM

    Just because a guy is shorter doesnt mean they can hit lower. But, I understand you need your excuses. That’s only natural. Clipping is hitting a guy in (and around) the knees. If you are 4 feet tall, that doesnt give you a free pass to clip. It means you probably shouldnt bend over at the waist to take a hit.

    As for the Foligno comparisons, Marchand has a point, but his was somewhat worse. And Salo is a nicer guy than Phaneuf, so there.

    • neputns - Jan 19, 2012 at 6:21 PM

      oh, I would so love to see a 4 feet tall guy playing hockey in the NHL… preferably in defense paired with Chara… haha, that thought is just killing me.

    • elvispocomo - Jan 20, 2012 at 2:08 PM

      I’m surprised no one has mentioned that Phaneuf had actually played the puck at least, where Salo had not. That’s a factor to consider along with the slightly different height of the hits.

      They were both not traditional hip checks but more using the upper body to get low on a player. Foligno ducks forward in the same manner as Marchand but keeps both shoulders at least level with his hips. Marchand’s inside shoulder is clearly lower on his hit. That combined with Foligno being taller to begin with means he’s more likely to have made legal contact than Marchand before any other factors come into play.

  7. millertime30 - Jan 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM

    Marchand’s hit is worse; if not only for the punches to Salo’s head at :08 and :11, and proceeded to stalk him out, bend his legs to get his already tiny self as low to the ice as possible, and raise his arms upon impact to ensure that Salo was sent over the top.

    Bruins players have gone unpunished for hits such as this for years, so it’s easy to understand why their fans are so upset about the suspension… they’re simply not used to being treated like everyone else.

    • drewsylvania - Jan 19, 2012 at 6:46 PM

      The hit is worse because he…did something else besides the hit?

      Riiight.

      • elvispocomo - Jan 20, 2012 at 2:12 PM

        I think you’ve misread, he said the hit was worse in the least because of the extra curricular activities but also because of how low he got in preparation. Nice try though.

        The hits are similar, but still clearly different in the nuances. Combine that with Marchand’s history (which Foligno is in danger of developing if he continues to play borderline hockey like this) and what preceded the lowbridge by Marchand, and it all adds up against him in the end.

  8. edrooney - Jan 19, 2012 at 5:07 PM

    Yes, compelling arguments, all of these. I love the 4 points from lefty. I’m sure Shannahan sat down & said “Well #1, Marchand’s a little bitch who can’t take a hit. That’s the first reason we are going to suspend him.”

    These comments from supposed Canucks fans are so ridiculous that I’m starting to think it’s rival fans stirring the pot, I mean logical people don’t make these kinds of statements. (it’s not a fanbase thing either before anyone starts saying “you Bruins fans this, you Bruins fans that…” There are idiotic a-holes in all fanbases, as much Boston as anywhere else)

    Regardless of all this nonsense, Marchand does at least bring up the need for consistency from the NHL in alot of these decisions. They have not been consistent over the years. (this coming from a Bruins fan who had NO argument with Marchand’s 5 game suspension – the man served his suspension let’s see if he can learn from it & clean up his game)

    • imleftcoast - Jan 19, 2012 at 7:16 PM

      Watch the Shanahan video. He does say that Marchand couldn’t take a hit, and that was a factor.

    • cshearing - Jan 20, 2012 at 8:20 AM

      I love most of your post, bu the call for consistency confuses me. The two hits are distinctly different. How can there be a consistency issue on two distinctly different plays?

      A clip is a hit at the knees (Marchand’s).
      A good hip check is a hit in the hip or thigh (Foligno’s).

    • elvispocomo - Jan 20, 2012 at 2:21 PM

      He was obviously exaggerating for effect. As he mentions in reply to you, Shanahan does point out the preceding play where the same situation but a shoulder to shoulder hit didn’t result in disaster for Marchand, but Marchand went on to hold Salo’s stick and throw some weak punches at him to try and agitate. When that didn’t work, he threw the lowbridge as a “predatory” move which could clearly cause injury.

      While the exaggeration is something we could do without (as well as all the generalizing and name calling), all fans can appreciate his, well, fanaticism in response to a play that was rightly suspended and resulted in a concussion to a player he cheers for that has only just started skating on his own again.

      I appreciate your level headed-ness however, and you’re trying to debate this the right way.

  9. danphipps01 - Jan 19, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    Foligno should’ve picked up two or three for that, mitigated a little bit on account of Phaneuf answered with his fists. Brad got five because it’s not the first time he’s tried shit like that. His logic is correct, but he doesn’t appear to have taken the hint – between first basically saying the League doesn’t know the rules in response to his suspension and then saying it has a double-standard and he’s being persecuted immediately after getting back, he’s basically asking them to freeze his ass again. Yes, it was the same hit. That doesn’t mean a repeat offender should go mouthing off to the media and inviting the disciplinarians to throw the book at him even harder the next time. He should be learning to clean up his game, not giving them even more reasons to judge him more harshly than other players. The Bruins don’t benefit from his antics. Julien needs to sit him down and get his ass in line.

  10. davebabychreturns - Jan 19, 2012 at 5:19 PM

    Brad Marchand can play ignorant to the press if he likes, but there is simply no question that the NHL considers reputation (ie. his as a repeat offender) and the result (ie. Salo’s concussion) when determining whether to use supplemental discipline.

    Heck you could even argue the league has had a bit of a change in its dealings with the Bruins since the nearly unanimous uproar from GMs over the non-suspension of Milan Lucic for hitting Ryan Miller in open ice (I mean, they basically got together and told Shanahan “next time you suspend him” – then he suspended Looch for a hit on a player who didn’t seem to think it was even dirty).

    Anyway Marchand had all three factors going against him (plus the fact that he hit Salo near the knees), Foligno does not.

    However Marchand wants to talk to the media, he has to realize these plays (and more importantly the context in which they occurred) are pretty significantly different from one another.

    • gallyhatch - Jan 19, 2012 at 7:11 PM

      (Bruins fan here)

      I have no problem with the league taking reputations into consideration when handing out suspensions. Repeat offenders should be dealt with more harshly, and I also agree with you that Shanny was probably facing mounting pressure to come down hard on the Bruins players who ‘walk the line’ between dirty & fair. Looch & Marchand are the front runners on the team.

      I do, however, have an issue with them taking the resulting injury into consideration. If the EXACT same hit happens twice, and after the fact one player gets a concussion, but the other doesn’t, is the non-injuring hit any more legal than the injuring hit?

      That doesn’t make a ton of sense to me.

      • elvispocomo - Jan 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM

        I agree that any resulting injury shouldn’t factor in. Do you wait to see how long a guy is out and tack on more games because the injury is worse than originally thought?

        A dangerous play is a dangerous play, regardless of injury or not. All other things being equal, one hit should get the same treatment as another.

        In this case, they weren’t equal hits when looking strictly at the on ice evidence (minus any injuries). There wasn’t any chippy play just prior to the hit between the two that we see, either by Phaneuf or Foligno, where Marchand followed up the previous hit between he and Salo (a safe, hockey play) with holding and punches. The point of contact on the hits were different enough as well that I can see only a minor penalty at best for Foligno’s hit being a bit late.

  11. nbangor - Jan 19, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    If you watch Ottowa often (which I do because they’re my “girlfriend” team) you know that Foligno is no angel… he consistently plays on the edge.

    It’s funny to me how jealous so many of these commenters are of Bruins fans and of the Bruins’ success.

    • sampsonsimpson - Jan 19, 2012 at 10:34 PM

      nailed it bangor…its pathetic

  12. bigtganks - Jan 19, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    Jack Edwards dog wondering why Foligno wasn’t suspended for clipping.

  13. bertilfox - Jan 19, 2012 at 6:33 PM

    Bruins fan here, but I wish Marchand would just zip it and play now that his dues have been paid. Winning is the best revenge and he has too many real hockey skills than to be defined by the bad and occasionally dirty parts of his game. There is plenty of cheap stuff that happens in this game by accident, as a result of big guys flying across ice on skates chasing that rubber disc. There is no need to intentionally try to hurt someone…unless it’s in a fight!

  14. haterzgonahate - Jan 19, 2012 at 6:59 PM

    Foligno is just starting to obtain his rat status meanwhile, noseface killah has been battling Burrows and Avery for the title for some time now. that;s the difference.

  15. salmon90 - Jan 19, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    as per my comment earlier….

    any side thinking they have the moral high-ground in this is laughable…right Ralphie!

    • habsman - Jan 19, 2012 at 8:13 PM

      @salmon,

      Thank you sir. You just made my night.

      What say you Bruin fans? Gutless, cheap shot, sucker punchers. Nice team you got there.

    • bigtganks - Jan 19, 2012 at 8:49 PM

      Spot on. The height of hypocrisy. Thank you Jon Stewart.

      • elvispocomo - Jan 20, 2012 at 2:56 PM

        Just to clarify, it wasn’t actually from The Daily Show, but edited (quite nicely in fact) by a Canuck fan from clips of The Daily Show. Regardless of the origin, it has the same impact.

      • bigtganks - Jan 20, 2012 at 3:38 PM

        Ah, I see. For a second there I thought, wow, JS must really dislike the B’s and be a hockey fan. Makes sense now. Yah, edited very nicely.

  16. gallyhatch - Jan 19, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    @salmon90, I thought maybe based on your comment that the video was going to show footage of the hypocrisy on both sides / teams. Either way, it was well done and funny, good find (John Stewart’s great)

    @habsman I love the Boston Bruins buddy. I love how they sent the Canadiens into a tailspin in October (and subsequently went on a ridiculous tear for two + months).
    I love how they beat the Canadiens in 7 games last April (3 overtime games too, do you remember? It was awesome guy!!!)
    And I especially love how they won the Stanley Cup last June! Did you see that series friend? It was incredible!!

    How’s the view from last place?

    • habsman - Jan 19, 2012 at 9:22 PM

      Enjoy your Campbell Cup (Colie & Greg).

      Should’nt you and some of your bruin bum buddies be out beating up a mascot or something?

      • gallyhatch - Jan 19, 2012 at 10:02 PM

        Excellent job with the gay reference, when it doubt you always have that to fall back on to make your argument.

        And your reference to the ‘Campbell’ cup is nothing but sour grapes. You may not talk about it in French speaking Montreal, but in the English speaking hockey world, the Bruins won the Stanley Cup. The coach of the Canadiens can tell you about it, he speaks English.

      • cshearing - Jan 20, 2012 at 8:22 AM

        Damn, you are an embarrassment to Canadians AND Canadiens..

      • elvispocomo - Jan 20, 2012 at 3:02 PM

        Not to defend using homophobic slurs in an argument, but to laugh at anyone using a last resort argument like that and then to say, “Yeah? Well we won the cup,” in your retort isn’t exactly the best defence.

  17. svensson1965 - Jan 19, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    Boo? Hoo?

  18. riles1008 - Jan 19, 2012 at 9:13 PM

    He got suspended because he’s a dirtbag. Second year in the league and he’s already one of the scum of the NHL.

  19. redrew - Jan 19, 2012 at 10:08 PM

    Of course this player will be suspended. Shanahan has no choice. Precedent has been set. 1 game for a first timer. Marchand was suspended for his hit…….and the degree of punishment was based on his past infractions.

    • elvispocomo - Jan 20, 2012 at 3:44 PM

      You do know they stopped making black and white movies a long, long time ago, right? Just checking since it seems you aren’t seeing any shades of gray.

  20. sampsonsimpson - Jan 19, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    @riles1008
    just because hes an agitator doesnt make him a dirtbag. He has real goal scoring skills and he pisses other teams off. Thats his job. hes not MATT COOKE that piece of shit is somehow still in this league. just because you dont like the bruins and automatically dont like the agitator doesnt make marchand scum of the nhl, grow up bro. you suck

  21. bostonsfullofrats - Jan 20, 2012 at 1:02 AM

    everyone says the sedins dive and all that crap, but everyone watch the video (link posted below) of how the bruins were handed a cup by the retard refs

    MUST WATCH
    LETS EXPOSE THE BRUINS FOR WHAT THEY REALLY ARE … a bunch of cheap shoting, referee paying, rat faced losers

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=npn0dyhSyr0

  22. bostonsfullofrats - Jan 20, 2012 at 1:06 AM

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=npn0dyhSyr0

    • drewsylvania - Jan 20, 2012 at 4:07 PM

      Note: this is habsman’s alternate account.

      • habsman - Jan 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM

        drewsylvania, (aka redrew, masters asshole)

        Come on now Drew, it’s time to move on. This obsession with everything I post is getting a little creepy. BTW, where in New England did you get you Masters of Asshole Degree?

  23. meldand64 - Jan 20, 2012 at 1:08 AM

    Who doesn’t want to put Phaneuf on his a**! The difference is that it was Salo…if it had been Bieksa nobody would’ve cared

  24. hockeyflow33 - Jan 20, 2012 at 1:58 AM

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen a larger collection of unintelligent comments.

  25. bensawesomeness - Jan 20, 2012 at 2:55 AM

    wanna fix everything? everyone’s thought it but nobody’s had the guts to impliment it yet, and i GUARENTEE it fixes headshots and concussions

    Rule change – hurt a guy on a play – you sit for as long as he’s out. Blindside hit crosby in the Winter Classic, out for a year? You lose your year’s salary, waiting for 87 to play. Flip Salo? Gone.

    I understand guys get hurt, so there’d have to be something like ‘malicious intent’ or whatever added to the rule, but that’s fair. It’s a physical game with rash decisions in split seconds , so make it very clear.
    Do something dirty, lose your pay as long as he’s out.

    • drewsylvania - Jan 20, 2012 at 4:10 PM

      This wouldn’t work for several reasons, one of which is that players with concussions have a greater chance of getting badly concussed again. Should we be suspending a player more just because the guy he hit has a high chance of debilitating concussion?

  26. cshearing - Jan 20, 2012 at 8:16 AM

    I’ve backed Marchand in the past, but this is getting ridiculous. He hit Salo at the knees, which is clipping. Foligno hit Phaneuf at mid-thigh; this is not clipping.

    Pretty much black & white. They are NOT the same hit, so the punishment is not the same. These days he is just coming off as a whiner. I thought the Canucks were the whiners? Get over it, Marchand, and stop with the dirty hits. You’re better than that.

  27. pastabelly - Jan 20, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    Hits are similar and Foligno has been disciplined by the league before. Marchand’s suspension may as well have been 6 games. He was awful last night and that relates to timing. The league should just be honest and say that Marchand was on double secret probation for the slew foot he pulled that he was only fined for. But it’s pretty disengenuous for Shanahan to imply that the Marchand and Foligno hits were any different. Enjoy that Presidents Trophy up in Vancouver Allain.

    • elvispocomo - Jan 20, 2012 at 3:53 PM

      Glad to see you still have that “coherent argument based on facts” thing going for you. Fell free to come back when you have an actual description (don’t forget the based on facts part!) of how the hits were the same and why they should have deserved the same punishment.

      All that and your comment was right after one of the many pointing out how stupid all the whining makes the Bruins and their fans look. Clearly it’s a conspiracy against the Canucks, wait, I mean the Bruins.

  28. canuckdude82 - Jan 24, 2012 at 1:28 AM

    You can guess by my name what team I cheer for (I hope). I just want to tell all you guys how much I love coming and reading the posts here. “Your team did/said this”, oh yeah well “your team said/did this” Its awesome :) As much as it broke my heart the Canucks lost in game 7 last year reading some of the asinine posts here helps the pain. Now please please can a Boston fan reply and include the classic “we won the cup last year”.
    Also Bruins fans, trying to rub in the fact to Habs fans that you won the cup last year may not be the best idea as I do believe the are about 18 cups ahead of you still and yes I realize about 24 ahead of the Canucks. So hope to see you in the finals again was fun last year and would be fun again this year.

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