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Bruins GM accuses Canucks of mounting “high-handed propaganda” campaign against Marchand

Jan 9, 2012, 12:27 PM EDT

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Yesterday, Vancouver coach Alain Vigneault ripped Boston coach Claude Julien for defending Brad Marchand after the Bruins forward low-bridged Sami Salo on Saturday at TD Garden, leaving the Vancouver defenseman with a concussion.

“Marchand — this is just my feeling on this,” said Vigneault. “Someday he’s going to get it. Somebody is going to say enough is enough and they’re going to hurt the kid, because he plays to hurt players and in my mind if the league doesn’t take care of it, somebody else will.”

Today, Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli addressed Vigneault’s comments in the third day of the two teams’ war of words.

“[Marchand] is no dirtier than maybe two or three of their players,” Chiarelli told reporters “After a game like [Saturday's], you see all the high-handed propaganda, you feel the need to respond. Whether it’s from GMs, coaches or players, I don’t like to hear that kind of stuff.”

Chiarelli accused the Canucks of mounting a propaganda campaign against Marchand to influence the league ahead of this afternoon’s disciplinary hearing that could earn the Boston player a suspension.

“The lobbying, propaganda in advance of the hearing is distasteful,” he said.

Julien, not to be outdone, had a few things to say himself.

“I guess we’re stupid,” he said sarcastically. “We’re idiots. They’re so much more intelligent than everybody else. That’s the way they act.”

Julien also accused the Canucks of hypocrisy: “Sometimes you have to look in your own backyard.”

Related: CSN New England’s Joe Haggerty with more on this story.

  1. imleftcoast - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    This is a joke of a response. I don’t think Vigneault should have opened his big mouth, but Marchand and the Bruins need to accept blame for this. Marchand mouthed in advance of the game, he threw two punches on that play in response to a clean hit from Salo, and then he took out Salo’s knees and claimed he was defending himself. It probably will be 5 games, but he really should get 10.

    • drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:36 PM

      Wasn’t a knee hit. I’m sick of having to write that.

      • drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM

        Downthumbing me doesn’t change that fact.

      • kitshky - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:37 PM

        Jesus Christ kid … well we’re sick of listening you so do us and yourself a favour and stop.

        Have you ever played the game? Clipping is a dangerous low hit to the knee at ANY angle, they make contact on the side of Salo’s knee. It’s right in front of you, watch the replay again, but this time watch it without the express intent of NOT seeing a clip.

      • drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 4:12 PM

        First off, your “kid” is inaccurate. Secondly, there is NO knee contact of any kind on that hit.

        It’s right in front of YOU.

        You can sit there and bleat all you want about how right you are, but it’s right there in the replay.

      • t16rich - Jan 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM

        You’re sick of having to write that because you are sick of writing the wrong response. In hockey terms, that is as much of a kneeshot as it comes. Pull your head out from behind Charas huge ass and watch it again. No doubt in my mind that 99% of the people I played with or know who played, will agree that Marchand went way too low there.

  2. davebabychreturns - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    IMO Alain Vigneault was stupid to say something along the lines of “one day he’s going to get it,” even if he is exactly right.

    Better to just stay away from that kind of stuff when you are inside the league, let the media honks talk about comeuppance.

    As for the rest of it, it’s all just the same PR gamesmanship – Julien engaged in it, then Gillis and Vigneault and now Chiarelli. Frankly Chiarelli’s comments sound like last year when Barry Trotz was pissing and moaning to reporters about how others were playing the refs. Uhh Barry, you don’t think that’s going to find its way into the papers (and just maybe come off as an attempt to play the refs)?

    • drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM

      Chiarelli’s responding to the comments. I guess he could have just not said anything.

      Also, I believe the Bruins were inclined to not bring up old grudges in this game. It really seems that the Canucks started this latest mess by ganging up on a Bruin.

      • davebabychreturns - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:07 PM

        Yes, he is responding to the comments. As I’m sure AV and Mike Gillis and Claude Julien were simply responding to something (probably a question asked of them by reporters).

        He can say he doesn’t like the “propaganda” but you can bet that when the shoe is on the other foot he is, at best, completely silent on the matter.

        Bottom line is that Chiarelli is trying to seize the moral high ground doing the same thing he is trashing others for.

  3. xxshookonexx - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    Whatever….bruins are thugs….canucks are p**sies. let’s just move on

  4. babar61 - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Holy crap, who cares. This is getting out of hand.

  5. bigtganks - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:52 PM

  6. imleftcoast - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    Fair enough. The game wasn’t even on Versus, never mind NBC. Obviously, these two teams are in their own little bubble of self-importance. Maybe the rest is sick of hearing about this rivalry.

    • madtolive5 - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:02 PM

      How are you sick of it?
      They played in one cup final and ONE GAME.

      you need to take your ADHD meds if you are already sick of this rivalry after 8 games!!!

      • imleftcoast - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:04 PM

        I’m not, but maybe the rest of the league is sick of hearing this whining. It’s telling that the game wasn’t on NBC and Versus.

  7. bertilfox - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    Canucks are perpetual “victims”. God forbid they try to play a 5 on 5 Game when it is SO much easier to incite cheap penatlies, flop, whine and then bitch about it all afterward.

    What I don’t get, is the sanctimony. How can they live with their chronic cowardly behavior? I guess that is where delusion comes in.

    • imleftcoast - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

      You’re delusional. Watch the replay of the Marchand ‘hit.

      • drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:37 PM

        Nice hit to the thighs.

      • taytay099 - Jan 9, 2012 at 5:34 PM

        If it’s a hit to the thighs then isn’t that still below the waste and still clipping? Or does clipping mean a lo shot directly to the knees. Such a rare call and I’m not 100% sure what it is.

        I paused it at 2:22 and it looks like a shot directly to the knees.

    • hoovertower - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

      You don’t get it because you are blind to your own team’s shortcomings. Since Saturday, these boards have been flooded with Bruins fans whining about bring screwed by the refs – but somehow it’s only whining when the Canucks do it. From a bully’s perspective, everybody else seems cowardly. If you watch that hit and not think “dirty,” you’re the one who’s delusional.

      Can you imagine how angry Bruins fans would be if a Canuck pulled this move?

      • iandarling - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:46 PM

        Every one has really short memories around here. If a Cunuck pulled this???? They did it twice to the bruins in the SCF last year, Hamhuis on Lucic and Raymond on Marchand. I am not defending this latest hit and it is horrible that a guy got hurt but I am sick of people only complaining about Bruins hits.

      • elvispocomo - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:19 PM

        @iandarling: The Raymond hit is a fair example, but the Hamhuis one is not even close. That’s all been explained about a hundred times how different they are, but here it is again: http://canucksarmy.com/2012/1/8/when-a-hip-check-is-not-a-hip-check

        At least in the Raymond example, one could say it was clearly not an issue to make a hit like that since Marchand had done the same thing after the whistle earlier in the series and received no penalty. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander wouldn’t be the stance I’d take, and I doubt that’s what Raymond had in mind, but it’s a factor to remember.

        I am glad you included the Raymond clip so we could see Chara boarding him at the tail end of it. I only wish they’d also had the clip of Boychuk using a can opener move to upend Raymond before breaking his back in a check well after and far away from any contact with the puck. My point is more that there are plenty of examples on both sides of plays that aren’t the best, just that some are more dangerous than others.

        Not one of the thirty teams in the league is innocent of illegal plays – not of illegal hits or diving to draw penalties – but certainly the trend in the media has been the Bruins can do no wrong and the Canucks are divers, whiners, arrogant, etc. Both sides are as guilty as the other in taking umbrage with people overstating issues or name calling and mud slinging, and I’ve done my fair share of arguing against people who do so when I should just ingnore them. But that’s why we’re fans (as in fanatics).

        Marchand will get what he deserves today, and as heated an issue this is for the respective fan bases, I think we can move past it. In fact, take what you can from the incidents this year and last, and then we should move past it for the sake of the other 28 teams in the league.

      • bertilfox - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:30 PM

        I’m not delusional. The Marchand hit WAS a dirty hit. You (as I would suspect) misunderstand. Alain Vigneault is delusional that his team is somehow more virtuous when their constant baiting, diving and whining has justly earned his team the outright derision of most of the Hockey universe not directly descended from the Canadiens. This includes Canadians. No one is complaining about being screwed by refs…this isn’t the NBA (well…yet, anyway).

        Classic “Victims” argument…everybody does it. Wah wah wah. It’s not the Bruins biting opponents rather than fighting, it’s not the Bruins who are poking players in the throat with their stick from in front of their own bench rather than going to a neutral area to fight. It’s not the Bruins trying to get someone to drop the gloves and then backing off like a Beotch in order to try and draw a penalty. You don’t have to be an imparial observer to recognize that as punkish behavior. I’ve seen a lot of hits, fights and outright brawls, but those are things that I’ve only seen ONE team do.

      • drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM

        Thank you iandarling, for posting the vids. Hopefully they’ll bring a return to sanity.

      • elvispocomo - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM

        @bertilfox: Things you’ve only seen one team do? The Bruins only fight like men and don’t do anything illegal? So if I post any videos that don’t support that theory, I must be misunderstanding (as you would suspect)?

        Maybe I should stop searching just for the Blue Jackets.
        What’s that? Savard bit a player? http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/04/video-marc-savard-allegedly-bites-dan-carcillo/
        Twice? http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2003/11/28/savard031128.html

        He nicely did that as far away from the benches as he could, I see.

        It just goes to show no one is innocent in all the things you accuse others of. At least Canucks fans have the wisdom to recognize that and try and argue fair points about current issues. We’re more than happy to bring up old stuff if you think it’s relevant though…

        And I would have thought memory loss was more likely in BC than in Boston.

      • elvispocomo - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:26 PM

        And just because you only remember the good things Boston does and not any of the things you accuse Vancouver of, he’s a few more reminders:

        We can go at this all day, because there are examples from every team in the league, including the Canucks and the Bruins. I’ll say again, no one is innocent of these kinds of things, and the Bruins certainly aren’t choir boys only guilty of roughhousing and sticking up for themselves.

  8. 8man - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    It’s a good thing they only play once this year and are separated by 3,000 miles. This is far too much of a distraction. Both teams have done their share of making this silly.

    Time to focus on Winnipeg.

    • drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:43 PM

      Agreed. I’d have a heart attack if they played in the same division.

  9. ballistictrajectory - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    Vancouver should be renamed West Montreal.

  10. homelanddefense - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    I LOVE how he says “someone” will take care of him, because God knows it wont be anyone from Vancouver. Well thats not exactly true, they seem to be much tougher when there are 3 or 4 of them to 1 opposing player.

    • davebabychreturns - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:39 PM

      You can interpret it to confirm whatever your perceptions of the Canucks are, but I would wager he said “someone” because even that is right on the line of appropriateness when it comes to giving people fodder to say that something that might happen at some point in the future was premeditated.

      If the next time these two meet some Canuck fourth liner hospitalized Marchand after AV said “we’re going to get him next time,” how bad would that look?

      IMO this is only slightly better for a guy in a position to tell NHL players what to do on the ice, but it is one step away from it at least. And of course I guess you’d rather an NHL coach incite violence against an opposing player by his own team, because that’s “honourable” or something?

      • elvispocomo - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:57 PM

        Yup, you can bet the Canucks players have been directed that if the teams do play again there is nothing other than a clean hit or a good fight they’d be allowed to do in response. They certainly didn’t get a chance to do anything do anything to him in that game after he was kicked out and the officials were quick to jump in and keep the teams separated after the 1st period brawl.

      • imleftcoast - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

        You know who did that. Marchand made comments about the sisters, and then goes out and does. You know how bad that looks?

      • drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:42 PM

        Vancouver tried to gang-beat Shawn Thornton. They have Burrows. They routinely won’t man up on fights.

        So homelanddefense is correct.

    • kitshky - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:48 PM

      He said someone because he’s talking about a team that plays in the Eastern Conference and is a team that Vancouver only sees once a year. This is not Brad May calling out the Av’s … this is a hockey man giving his opinion that someone (clearly someone who actually plays against the Bruins) is going to respond to the repeated behaviour of Marchand.

  11. gallyhatch - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:18 PM

    Marchand deserves a suspension. (I’m a Bruins fan)
    & I can guarantee one thing, most Canucks or Bruins fan will be unhappy with the decision. (it won’t be long enough, or short enough depending on your colors)

    Seems like most people outside of these fanbases are tired of this crap, but after having been at that game on Saturday? Best game atmosphere since the SCF. Can’t wait to watch these clubs square off again. (hopefully in June)
    It would have been better if they called the game both ways (if you can claim that was reffed evenly with a straight face then God bless you) but in the end the Bruins lost because they played undisciplined hockey, nothing to do with the refs.

    and xxshookonexx, spot on with your comment sir (or madam) , spot on.

    • warpstonebc - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:07 PM

      Agreed. It would be a fantastic playoff rematch.

      Regarding the reffing, the Lucic game misconduct sucked, but this is probably the sort of stuff that eventually burns a team lives by the sword. It’s too bad it had to happen in this game though.

      At the same time, while you can blame the refs for making calls in Vancouver favour you could also say the linesman blew a rather clear icing call for Boston’s 2nd goal. :)

      You’re right though, in the end, the refs are in the wash. Both teams aspire to elite status and no amount of excuses can be made if you don’t win. That’s why it would be awesome to see the call average out over another 7 game series! :D

      • elvispocomo - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:37 PM

        I’m not sure either fan base (and the internet!) could handle more games between these two, let alone another 7 game series in the playoffs. Imagine how that would be – people would be taking vacations and stress leave and sick days just to recover!

        I agree on the Lucic call, that was unlucky and maybe even some past history weighed in since I don’t think they saw it clearly. One foot on the bench isn’t enough to make that kind of call whether at the start of the game or the end.

        I can even see why they would waive off that icing call – it doesn’t touch anyone but it goes right past one of the Sedins by the Bruins blue line. The Canucks should have played the whistle regardless and then there wouldn’t have been a goal to begin with.

        Canucks fans haven’t been happy about what went on in the SCF, but they’re the first to admit Vancouver was never going to win scoring only 8 goals in 7 games. If they have half the success on the PP they did the rest of the year and stop a few more pucks, maybe it goes the other way, but they didn’t so the better team in that series won.

  12. papajack1259 - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    the League says no head hits yet when you duck and avoid a hit you are suspended for a knee hit!
    The refs messed up the Lucic toss and they are not going to change their mind on what appears to me to be a collision in hockey
    They will indeed give Marchand 2 games But the thing that gets me is 5 on 3 twice for 3 goals that was not a hockey game it was rigged and the bookies made a bundle
    Vancouver is and always will be A European Expansion team They are rich boys with all the equipment that no one repeat no one cares for they will not make it to the finals this year

    • drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:56 PM

      I had this same thought this morning. If Marchand doesn’t duck, he probably gets smashed in the face due to his height. And Salo ends up with a suspension.

      Was Marchand supposed to stand there and take the hit? What could he have done other than duck?

      • davebabychreturns - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:12 PM

        LOL please. How many times have you seen Sami Salo “smash” a player in the face?

        And don’t worry, your ignorance doesn’t hurt you here because whether you watch him play regularly or not the answer is going to be zero.

      • drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:45 PM

        How many 5′ 6″ players has he taken a run at?

        Look, I’m not saying Salo was trying to hit him in the head. It would have happened as a natural course of throwing the hit because of how short Marchand is. Chara had to stop bodychecking so much because of the same height problem–his shoulder is right at head level. Marchand’s head is right at a lot of players’ shoulder level.

      • elvispocomo - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:50 PM

        @drewsylvania: That’s a horrible argument when you see the exact same scenario (but without Marchand lowbridging) less than 20 seconds before. I didn’t see him get smashed in the face when Salo hit him shoulder to shoulder then.

        Marchand being 5’9″ must be used to taller players coming in to hit him. If he’s not, or he thinks taking someone out at the knees is the only acceptable defensive action to avoid getting hit shoulder to shoulder two times within a 30 second span, then he should consider playing Women’s Hockey, where bodychecking isn’t allowed.

        I’m pretty sure no one would take him though, even as a team mascot for the Tallahassee Turtles.

      • drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 4:18 PM

        Team Turtle is the Canucks. But whatever.

      • kitshky - Jan 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM

        “Was Marchand supposed to stand there and take a hit?”

        Yes. That’s what men do.

      • foodforthesoul28 - Jan 9, 2012 at 5:19 PM

        I don’t see Salo as a player that would just take a run at someone. Think about it though, Right after the hit that happened 20 seconds before the hip check Marchand was punching Salo in the head over and over. It makes perfect sense that in a highly emotional game after getting punched in the head a few times that Salo would try to hit Marchand quite hard. So I can see the possibility of Salo going in to hit him harder than he normally would hit.

  13. haterzgonahate - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:59 PM

    the Bruins are everything that’s wrong with the league today. the Canucks aren’t the first and only team to point that out, propaganda? gimme a break.. and not Mason Raymonds back!

    the league has been steering teams into a non-violent corner since the lockout.. seems only the Bruins and Rangers aren’t conforming. what a joke. it’s not 1970 anymore.

    this crap is just childish. the Vancouver organization is miles above the Bruins in my opinion. and i’m a Leafs fan for the record.

    seems like the B’s are all on steroids.

    • drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:07 PM

      “this crap is just childish”

      “seems like the B’s are all on steroids.”

      There’s a pot and kettle problem in there.

      Also, you’re going to get on the Bruins because they fight? ???

      • haterzgonahate - Jan 9, 2012 at 5:06 PM

        man your going to be eating for years with all the troll food on these boards. get a life Drewsylvania.

    • Ralphie - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:27 PM

      …and i’m a Leafs fan for the record.

      Sorry to hear that. My condolences.

  14. boltsfan777 - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    Fans staunchly defending the wrong actions of their team by saying “But look, he did the same thing, only worse!” or “He did it first!”, well, that’s what children say.

    • drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:09 PM

      What’re they supposed to say?

      • kitshky - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:53 PM

        umm …be objective?

  15. redrew - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    The pussification of Canada is in full swing. Euro hockey….north of the border….wear your skirts

    • thatsdoinit - Jan 9, 2012 at 8:56 PM

      That’s a broad brush you’re painting with, sir. Most Canucks fans are probably just repeating the drivel they hear from the homers on the local radio and tv stations. The majority of Canadians love good rough hockey. Outside the Greater Vancouver Area, of course.

  16. drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Ah Bruins haters…where will their illogic end?

    • elvispocomo - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:57 PM

      “Ah Bruins supporters… where will their illogic end?”

      Fixed that for you.

  17. bikey1277 - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    Honestly, I don’t know why the Bruins fans keep defending the guy. Its not like he’s never ever done anything like this before. His nickname is The Rat. Salo wasn’t skating at full speed trying to ram Marchand into the boards. He was in cruise control. And that’s not a hip check either. Just embrace the Rat. At least he’s a pretty good hockey player.

    • drewsylvania - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM

      Not a hip check…but also not a knee check.

      He plays over the line sometimes. But people are acting like he’s the dirtiest player ever.

      • elvispocomo - Jan 9, 2012 at 4:34 PM

        People are saying, not acting like, he’s a dirty player because he is. He can play too, which is the sad part.

        Julien’s been quoted as having to keep him in check on a regular basis and he’s done this manouver more than once, and had a suspension and fine already. It’s only his second full season – he’s not exactly on the path to righteousness and enlightenment.

        I do hear Boston supporters saying it was an illegal hit, but I hear a lot of people defending it too, including yourself. You’ve even said Chara has had to stop hitting in some situations because he’s so tall. Well, if Marchand is the opposite, why would he avoid hits by making himself shorter? That would be like saying Chara should avoid head contact by jumping over players since he’s so much taller – clearly that would solve the issue right there!

        All either reaction would do is increase the odds of danger when there’s only a small likelihood of danger to begin with, and we see the result in a case like this.

      • kitshky - Jan 9, 2012 at 5:08 PM

        Wait I’m a little confused by your constant blathering on about it not being a “knee hit”, are you suggesting it wasn’t a clip and therefore not a dirty hit?

      • thatsdoinit - Jan 9, 2012 at 8:49 PM

        Dirtiest player ever title would belong to Matt Cooke.

  18. redrew - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    Blade to the throat
    5 on 1 mauling
    6th man jumps on pile
    Egging Thorton into a fight then not dropping gloves
    …..And the Canucks are taking the high road……my God….it’s entire team of RATS

  19. viewsfromseat13 - Jan 9, 2012 at 6:50 PM

    Easy Answer for everybody as Julien said: We won the Cup!

  20. acieu - Jan 9, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    Nothing better than two French Canadian bitches in a cat fight.

  21. stanleycup2012 - Jan 9, 2012 at 11:47 PM

    Great game Saturday! Great rivalry – players, coaches, GM’s, fans, media – everyone HATES the other team! The NHL is run by morons for not fixing the schedule years ago. How can you only have these teams play once this year, after that 7 game series last year? Bettman is the worst!

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