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Canucks coach: Marchand “plays to hurt players”

Jan 8, 2012, 7:29 PM EDT

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Yesterday, Boston coach Claude Julien defended Brad Marchand’s decision to hit Sami Salo low during the Canucks-Bruins game at TD Garden.

“We all have our opinions with what is going on with the game and the hits and everything else,” said Julien. “All I’m going to tell you is that, I have always told my players that they need to protect themselves. The last thing I want my players to do is to get hit and then end up with a concussion, and they have to protect themselves.”

Today, Vancouver coach Alain Vigneault told reporters what he thought of Julien’s take.

“That’s a stupid comment,” Vigneault said, as per the Vancouver Province. “What Marchand did there, you could end a player’s career doing that and I’ve never seen Sami Salo take a run at any player in the NHL. All I’ve seen Sami Salo do is play with integrity and play the right way.

“Marchand — this is just my feeling on this — someday he’s going to get it. Somebody is going to say enough is enough and they’re going to hurt the kid, because he plays to hurt players and in my mind if the league doesn’t take care of it, somebody else will.

“Sometimes it takes the league time to figure things out and there’s a difference between a good hip check when the player is coming down on you one-on-one with the puck and what we saw Marchand do with his definite attempt to injure. Something needs to happen.”

Meanwhile, Canucks defenseman Keith Ballard had a message for anyone who might try to compare his signature hip checks to what Marchand did to Salo.

“Normally when I do that, the guy has the puck and the guy is coming down on me and trying to beat me,” Ballard said. “There is a difference and anybody who says there’s not a difference is an idiot.”

  1. crmgoodness - Jan 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM

    Alain also didn’t think Rome deserved a suspension for leaving his feet and hitting Horton in the head a full second after the puck was gone…how about Burrows spear to the throat? What is your comment on that Alain? Zero credibility…what a sorry sorry gutless puke…with a team that plays in his image. Not a wonder that the Canuckleheads are reviled.

    • vanfoodman - Jan 8, 2012 at 9:08 PM

      I watched the game and I’ve seen all the highlights several times but I’ve yet to see this ‘spear to the throat.’

      • drewsylvania - Jan 8, 2012 at 10:37 PM

        Then you’re shutting your eyes off at opportune times.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jan 8, 2012 at 11:04 PM

        It was more of a tap than a spear. Burrows doesn’t have the balls to actually spear someone.

    • elvispocomo - Jan 8, 2012 at 11:20 PM

      Apparently the NHL didn’t think Rome deserved a suspension for leaving his feet and hitting Horton in the head either, all they suspended him for was it being a late hit. They even said specifically if it hadn’t been late it would have otherwise been a legal hit.

      As far as the actions in the rest of the game, Burrows does get his stick up higher but hardly a spear to the throat, and while Thornton’s slash on Burrows wasn’t a major deal, to say Burrow’s love tap was anything illegal is a farce.

      Actually if you want to talk about people keeping their comments to themselves when history isn’t on their side, how about the Peverly slash on Bieksa from the SCF last year?

      • deterrant25 - Jan 8, 2012 at 11:33 PM

        There’s that submarine again. Protecting yourself? Or cowering?

      • vanfoodman - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:00 AM

        And the Canucks are the dirty team? I forgot about this premeditated, cold, vicious slash to the back of the leg of Bieksa by Peverley. Oh and after watching this check out the other related videos of Bruins dives and cheap shots.

      • crmgoodness - Jan 9, 2012 at 11:13 AM

        I love the cherry picking of an event from the cup…yes…that was a cheap slash by Peverly. So cold and vicious was it that Bieksa didn’t even miss a shift. I’m curious why no mention the blind side hits by Higgins on Chara and Hansen on Ferrence in game 7? How about Hansen’s spear/jab at McQuaid’s groin? Rome’s late hit on Horton, Burrows biting, LaPierre’s confirmation of the bite with a childish taunt…Yes, the Canucks are dirty.

    • crmgoodness - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM

      This is great…where was the outrage for this one?

  2. taytay099 - Jan 8, 2012 at 7:59 PM

    A lot of Canucks vs. Boston posts lately and they sure bring out the worst in the comments.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jan 8, 2012 at 8:25 PM

      They’re definitely the two most polarizing teams the NHL has seen in years.

      • elvispocomo - Jan 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM

        You’re right on one thing at least – you should never forget that the Bruins aren’t innocent in all this, and weren’t innocent all last year and in the SCF either. No one will let Canucks fans forget how reprehensible our team is, whether it’s deserved or not.

      • Ralphie - Jan 8, 2012 at 11:35 PM

        It’s deserved.

        That is all.

  3. Ralphie - Jan 8, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    Salmonella, they posted another Marchand story! Time to queue the whining and propaganda machine up.

    Your stump awaits.

  4. mydadyourmom - Jan 8, 2012 at 8:16 PM

    Spear to the throat??? Haha, you obviously can’t even skate. Pussboy.

  5. redrew - Jan 8, 2012 at 8:47 PM

    Is there a media outlet this team hasn’t whined to yet? It’s embarrassing how all Canadian teams just cry to the league about any team that scores more goals than them. The pussification of Canada continues. Do all Canucks have vaginas?

    • vanfoodman - Jan 8, 2012 at 9:17 PM

      A misogynist and a xenophobe

    • deterrant25 - Jan 8, 2012 at 11:35 PM

      Just half have vaginas, but they’re women. How do you explain yours?

  6. mydadyourmom - Jan 8, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    Only half.

  7. bertilfox - Jan 8, 2012 at 9:28 PM

    Hey vanfoodman, go cry to the League Office about all of the mysoginistic and xenophobic posters here in the Comments Section. Maybe they’ll mandate 5 pro Canuck posters for every 3 real hockey fans for the next few articles about your whiny team. OMG, I just got a post misconduct for that broadside. See you in the next article…

  8. donttouchthedirtypenny - Jan 8, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    Vanfoodman — This is the second time I’ve seen you call a commenter a mysogonist. Do you know what that means? It’s someone who hates women. I don’t see how that applies here.

    • vanfoodman - Jan 8, 2012 at 9:39 PM

      @ dirtypenny: You can’t even spell the damn word and you are questioning if I know what it means?

    • loinstache - Jan 8, 2012 at 9:50 PM

      Are you fucking retarded?

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM

        He’s directed it at the same commenter both times and deservedly so.

      • loinstache - Jan 8, 2012 at 10:11 PM

        No I was talking about dirtypenny, and I stand by my question. If he couldn’t honestly see how the comments are misogynist (while spelling it wrong while questioning someone’s use of it) then I can only assume he’s a troll or has a disability.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jan 8, 2012 at 10:24 PM

        Mine was directed at the same guy. He’s clearly is a few prawns short of a galaxy.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jan 8, 2012 at 10:25 PM

        He’s clearly is….wow, just wow. Clearly I’m making my best case for the edit function here.

  9. pavelfitzgerald - Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM

    Yikes Redrew – you managed to be both racist & moronic in the same post, congrats! I haven’t heard the jets, flames or oilers complain about anything, yet all of Canada are vaginas? People like you give Americans the redneck, idiot stereotype known around the world. Notice how I never said that all Americans or even most Americans were redneck, idiots as that would be as moronic as you. There are moron, idiots & vaginas everywhere & no country is only one of those. Do us & your country a favor & stop acting like such an ignorant idiot pussy

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jan 8, 2012 at 9:56 PM

      He’s been embarrassing himself all say with these ridiculous comments.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jan 8, 2012 at 9:57 PM

        That would be “all day.” Let’s get an edit function already.

  10. theagitator1691 - Jan 8, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    he does marchand is a piece of shit sure hes a decent player but im sick of him attempting to injure players he is a joke and the only reason he is able to get away with this stuff (besides its the fact its Vancover) is that hes got a complete goon squad there to protect him

    • rdurk86 - Jan 9, 2012 at 9:48 AM

      “Goon squad”. So…….the Bruins lead the league in goals, the Canucks have had more PK’s than the Bruins, not to mention the Canucks have a 7 on 1 in front of their bench, with guys on the bench chipping in as well……and the Bruins are a “goon squad”? If by “goon squad” you mean, “guys who stick up for teammates”, then yes I agree.

      Marchand should get multiple games obviously, not denying that at all.

      • theagitator1691 - Jan 9, 2012 at 7:58 PM

        I just cant stand the way they act when there losing, or over stupid shit they do like the game with the hurricanes this year that game was a joke. and the game last year with the bruins and habs where chara and mcquaid tried to get pacioretty to fight….i understand its a huge rivalry but pick on someone your own size or someone who can defend themselves (which will be hard for chara to do)

  11. stratomaticfan - Jan 8, 2012 at 10:25 PM

    Ballard is so full of it. His “signature” hip check is a dirty shoulder to the knees…just like the one he threw at Gregory Campbell in the 2nd period. Doesn’t matter that they have the puck, you shouldn’t be going for the knees. That’s how guys get injured. It’s dangerous and just plain stupid. His shot on Campbell was a lot worse than Marchand’s.

  12. drewsylvania - Jan 8, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    Note to Vancouver: You have Burrows. Your whole line tried to gang-rape one player in the last game.

    Your shit stinks just as badly.

  13. drewsylvania - Jan 8, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    Stop fucking whining.

  14. drewsylvania - Jan 8, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    “Wah our team are a bunch of angels who never did anything wrong! Only THEIR team is bad!”

    Gimme a fucking break.

    • davebabychreturns - Jan 9, 2012 at 10:28 AM

      Tell us how you really feel drew!

      I’m just having a good laugh sitting here thinking of drewsylvania sitting in front of the glow of his monitor, realizing that his 10:32 comment doesn’t quite communicate his seething rage to the world adequately – then leaving another (half a sentence at 10:33), then leaving another one just a couple of minutes later.

      Did you get it all off your chest, buddy? Anything else you need to void yourself of? We’re here for you.

  15. blomfeld - Jan 8, 2012 at 10:41 PM


    What a complete and utter joke ! … now we’ve got the Girl Scout leader himself offering us his two cents worth … I say “shut your yap” Vigneault before we send you packing back to Quebec for not speaking with a proper “western” Canadian accent ! … the nerve of this clown, eh ? … then again, I guess we shouldn’t forget that Elaine was likely reading from a prepared script given to him by Aquilini Industries … regardless, the fact remains that “big man” Salo was turned into a flying nun, by a guy half his size … he looked very foolish in the process and now the arsonists and car-flippers here are all up in arms … well take it easy my Vancouver friends, it ain’t so bad … let’s go out and buy ourselves some new brassieres tomorrow and then everything will be okay … trust me …

    • deterrant25 - Jan 8, 2012 at 11:50 PM

      “western” Canadian accent? I don’t know where you’re from, but talk to a “western” canadian in Alberta and you’ll notice that we don’t speak like them here on the coast. By that logic, we should send all Asians home if they don’t sound like a “western” canadian. Keep your prejudiced comments to yourself. You sound like an ass!

      Marchand’s hit was low and dangerous. Some of Ballards hits are low and dangerous. The game is dangerous. The difference is that Marchand is cowering, not protecting himself. He’s little, and that’s what he has trained himself to do. Head shots aren’t ok for tall guys, so the knees need to be off limits for little guys

    • vanfoodman - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:25 AM

      Yet another xenophobe who’s also a misogynist. Is there some internet virus going around?

  16. tn16 - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:41 AM

    K wtf Is everyone on burrows did not spear him in the through

    • vanfoodman - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:38 AM

      Throat not through, right?

  17. homelanddefense - Jan 9, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    First, I am a Bruins fan, lets get that out of the way. Marchand is dirty, flat out he plays dirty. People around here like to say he “plays with edge” but that is really a nice way of saying he is dirty. Personally I dont like his game because of it. Which is sad because he is actually a skilled player. If Marchand was on another team us Bruin’s fans would hate him. That play cost Boston the game.

    With that being said, I have a hard time listening to Alain complain about dirty play when he has guys that bite other players. I’ve never seen a coach and team complain to the media more than Vancouver.

    As for the Thornton issue. What Burrows did was not a spear, he tried to get his stick up but he didnt really connect. But Burrows started it all by slashing Paille coming off the ice, Thornton saw it and got involved by slashing Burrows back. Thornton and Burrows got into it, but the other 4 or 5 Cannucks and a few guys from the bench all jumped into the deal. Watch the video, Lapierre comes in when there are already 3-4 guys on him and jumps onto the pile and starts punching. Gutless considering none of those guys seem to want to fight one on one unless of course they catch a lesser fighter like Horton or Campbell. And somehow after the smoke clears the Bruins lost s 30 goal scorer (NHL admitted they were wrong about the ejection) and Vancouver got a 5-3 PP. Head scratchers there.

    The refs were terrible both ways though. Boston got a gift goal for sure, and Vancouver got a couple PP goals on phantom calls.

    • davebabychreturns - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:22 PM

      Thanks for a reasonable reply.

      Alain Vigneault is the coach of a hockey team, he is going to have to stand up in front of the press and defend his players (although I like to think that relatively speaking he has some integrity, he called a late hit that concussed Dan Hamhuis last year clean, etc). So the fact that he doesn’t go up there and say “jeez, that Marchand kid is a little prick but who are we to complain since we have Alex Burrows on the roster” is pretty ridiculous. Similar to how it’s not too surprising to see Claude Julien telling the press that Brad Marchand simply has to find a way to defend himself against big bad Sami Salo.. and believe me, Canucks fans (and probably everyone in the league familiar with Salo) have a hard time listening to that as well.

      On Burrows, there’s no question he is a ‘dirty’ player. I think it’s a bit silly the furor over the biting incident (I’d like to see how many people can claim with a straight face that they would make an effort to refrain from biting down if someone crammed a couple of fingers in their mouth), it wasn’t exactly Tyson v. Holyfield and it’s hardly unprecedented in the league – ask Marc Savard. However that, the hair grab when fighting Duncan Keith.. no question Alex’s instincts fail him when the shit hits the fan. Which is a shame because he is a pretty damned good hockey player now, his game can stand on its own without all the shameful BS. Kind of like Marchand except Burrows isn’t out there trying to injure people.

      As for the whole Thornton melee, do you expect players to line up and pair off as Bruins arrive at the scene? It was a whole bloody mess but it was Thornton who initiated the scrum (even if it was Burrows who started the stickwork) and it was Lucic who stepped off the bench. I don’t know how you could expect any different than the Bruins getting the book thrown at them there.

      • davebabychreturns - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:54 PM

        Err that should say “So calling him out on the fact that he doesn’t go up there and say “jeez, that Marchand kid is a little prick but who are we to complain since we have Alex Burrows on the roster” is pretty ridiculous.”

      • Ralphie - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:07 PM

        You were moving along smoothly with a reasonable replay yourself until you missed a few key facts.

        Thornton may have technically “initiated the scrum” but this is hockey- he retaliated, any player on any team will react to nasty stick-work from a known lowlife like Burrows. You don’t let that crap slide. Unfortunately that type of stuff is the Canucks game. All this crap about Burrows “didn’t connect” and the excuses being made for his conduct are bullshit. You poke / jab your stick in another players neck / head-area like a weapon you are going to get repercussions – plain and simple.

        Don’t forget 6 Canucks jumping Horton – and that lowlife LaPierre jumping over the pile at full speed and starting to throw haymakers at Horton. That was gutless of Lapierre and the 5 other guys who jumped Horton.

        You said Lucic “stepped off the bench”; The league already exonerated Lucic a few hours after the game that he DID NOT leave the bench – he was legally on a shift change. Look it up n this website. The Ref’s messed up plain and simple on that call and he should never had a game misconduct and got tossed.

      • davebabychreturns - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:53 PM

        Ralphie I can’t seem to reply to your post directly, so..

        Look. We’re not going to come out of this seeing eye to eye, I could turn around the outrage about a fourth liner (Weise) attacking a first liner (Horton) on the Thornton/Burrows altercation pretty easily but at the end of the day you’re not going to see it.

        Rewatching the replay of the ‘brawl’ I see Horton joining the fray and then him and Weise separating from the pack.. not sure where you’re getting the idea that he was jumped, in fact I think you might’ve meant to say Thornton?

        As for the NHL rescinding Lucic’s game misconduct, I suspect it was because what he did was in something of a grey area (I’m sure you’ve seen the image of him watching the altercation unfold standing in the gate) and they don’t think he deserves the automatic 10-gamer that goes with the misconduct. Their options were either rescind the misconduct or suspend Looch 10 games, so I don’t think their act necessarily indicates that they think he’s 100% innocent.

      • Ralphie - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:22 PM

        @davebabychreturns, yes Thornton, not Horton.

        Burrows is dirty, plain and simple. You can get into semantics of maybe he doesn’t “intent to injure” but he’s dirty -and he’s no better than Marchand.

        Anyone who is not a Canucks fan fully understands what their “game” is. You say the Canucks “rely on the ref’s calling the game according the rules” – what you leave out is the bullshit they pull right before the ref calls in favor of them (most of the time). The baiting, the flopping, the bullshit stick in the neck / face crap, the biting, the hair pulling, blah blah blah…it’s all there. They do that to bait the other team to react so they can get their special teams on the ice. That IS their game plan, and it’s gutless because that’s the way their organization operates – top to bottom – that is their charter. Then their coach and GM follow up games by using the media to justify their means (they did it in the finals also) with their bullshit pontificating when they know what they instigated. Please don’t insinuate that they play by the rules with those comments either. They stretch the rules of gamesmanship, they agitate, they know exactly what they are doing. I’m sure if the Canucks stop their crap the Bruins wouldn’t retaliate and you’d have a clean(er) game.

    • homelanddefense - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM

      There is a huge difference between Vigneault standing up for his players and the outright propaganda he constantly spews. Even before games start he is already working the refs if press conferences. I agree, Julien’s comments about Marchand right hollow, but at least he isnt taking the platform to talk about specificVancouver players,instead of defending his own players, see the difference? Either way I already conceded that Marchand is dirty and the hit was dirty.

      And speaking on the biting incident I still think its funny that Vancouver fans claim Bergeron put his fingers INTO Burrows’ mouth. He certainly fash washed him, but burrows used his hand to either block what he was doing/keep bergeron’s hand there, or guide them where he wanted. Its not defensible. And I don’t see how you can judge the difference between Marchand and Burrows with intent to injure. Anyone who repeatedly plays dirty is trying to hurt people. Was that stick towards Thornton’s face not intended to hurt him?

      Are you seriously going to take that stance on the Thornton issue? No they shouldnt pair off, but they should let the two guys fight. Not jump on a guys back, 6 to 1. Explain how the Bruins ended up two guys down after that. There was no 3rd man in penalty which is ridiculous. Thornton and Burrows should have gone, Weiss and Horton too. But the NHL itself admitted Lucic didnt step off the bench.

      • davebabychreturns - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:12 PM

        The Canucks have absolutely talked about officiating in the context of the Bruins because their gameplan and the Bruins gameplan directly contradict each other – the Canucks rely on the refs calling the game according to the rules (so they can use special teams to their advantage) and the Bruins rely on the fact that the refs can’t possibly call every infraction (so they can use their toughness to create space for themselves, and of course keep their motivation high by escalating every single conflict).

        Outside of that I don’t think AV plays this game in the media all that much, although if you’d like to present a case that he does this more than other NHL coaches I’m prepared to change my opinion.

        My point about the biting incident is that it is overblown, that’s all. Should Burrows have shut his mouth on Bergeron’s hand? No. Did he manage to grab Bergeron’s hand and force it into his mouth so he could bite it? Maybe I guess, but only two people know for sure and neither of them are talking about it.

        Is Burrows a dirty player? He sure has his moments, yeah. However I defy you to tell me that biting a guy, or pulling someone’s hair, or even some light stickwork is “intent to injure.” It’s not like Burrows took a wind-up or anything, it was dirty without question but if you think Thornton’s health was at risk there you’re fooling yourself. Contrast that with Marchand who takes out players knees, elbows them in the head, all during the course of play when they can’t devote their entire focus to keeping themselves safe out there.

        As for the whole melee, the fact is that this is happening in real time on the ice. I sincerely doubt everyone saw the lead up, but everyone sure noticed Thornton mugging Burrows – I would expect his teammates to intervene there.

        I already said my piece about the Lucic penalty, I won’t say it again but I will say I was happy to see the refs take the Bruins to task for escalating a conflict to the point of a fistfight just minutes into the game; who knows how often that would have happened if the officials hadn’t taken control of things. You simply can’t expect to be able to pull that kind of thing with impugnity and not take it on the nose from the refs from time to time.

  18. malkinrulez - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    Burrows dirty,Marchand dirty end of discussion

  19. lamplighterjc - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    If you watch the sequence leading up to this hit, it’s pretty clear that that Marchand is a coward. After a collision between Salo & Marchand, Marchand proceeds to punch Salo in the BACK of the head not once, but twice. Two blatant cheap shots. Then when the opportunity presents himself moments later, he cuts Salo’s feet out from underneath him. I hate the Canucks, but I don’t know how you could support a guy like this as a teammate or a fan. They should give him 6-8 games.

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