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Annoyed Canucks captain: “We’re as tough as anyone else”

Jan 1, 2012, 3:45 PM EDT

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Canucks captain Henrik Sedin doesn’t lose patience with the media very easily, but he did yesterday when asked for the billionth time about his team’s toughness, or perceived lack thereof.

“You know what?” Sedin said, as reported by the Vancouver Province. “I’m pretty tired of that question.

“We won the Presidents’ Trophy last year, we went to the seventh game of the Stanley Cup final.

“We didn’t lose the final because we were pushed around, we lost because we couldn’t score.

“We’re as tough as anyone else. We take hits, we give out hits, that’s the bottom line.”

Vancouver lost 4-1 last night in Los Angeles. According to the Province, the game featured “Drew Doughty seemingly taking liberties every time he was on the ice and Kings forwards using every whistle near Roberto Luongo‘s crease as an excuse for a rugby scrum to break out.”

And similar to what happened against the Bruins, the Canucks failed to make their opponents pay for any indiscretions, going 0-4 on the power play.

Thus the same, old questions for Sedin about team toughness.

And while his frustration at having to answer them over and over is understandable, you can’t blame reporters for asking. Vancouver’s “take all the penalties you want, we’ll just turn the other cheek and score on the power play” philosophy is a significant part of the team’s identity. When it works, the Canucks look great. When it doesn’t, they look bullied.

PS — Found this pic from yesterday’s game. Probably won’t help the Canucks’ case.

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  1. blomfeld - Jan 1, 2012 at 4:35 PM

    “Mister Referee … please look at what those bad men did to me … first they hit me and then they started calling me bad names … this is horrible and I feel so violated … and now I’m like really really sad … please help me Mister Referee … you know that those bad men shouldn’t be allowed to do that … I hate them and if you don’t have a talk with them then I’ll probably have to set you on fire and maybe flip your car upside down” …

    • imleftcoast - Jan 1, 2012 at 5:37 PM

      The ref wasn’t going to make a call, but Kesler’s mouth was bleeding from the high stick. Bitch all you want, but the Canucks need to be gushing blood to get a call that’s automatic for any other team in the league.

      • comeonnowguys - Jan 2, 2012 at 12:18 AM

        They really only have themselves to blame for that. Dive enough times and refs don’t give the benefit of the doubt.

      • drewsylvania - Jan 2, 2012 at 12:52 AM

        God stop crying. You sound like a Sedin or Lindy Ruff.

  2. BurkieInBoston - Jan 1, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    I’ll step in here & answer this headline on behalf of the Hub of Hockey = No, your team is not tough, especially Henrik. Now go jerk off on your president’s trophy.

    • imleftcoast - Jan 1, 2012 at 5:34 PM

      Your ‘tough’ guy Lucic won’t even drop the gloves. Suck it Boston.

      • blomfeld - Jan 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM

        huh ? … as opposed to Henrietta and Daniella who are always “ready and willing” to answer the bell ? … please elucidate as I ‘m seriously confused here ? … thanks …

      • gallyhatch - Jan 1, 2012 at 7:56 PM

        Hmm, how did Sedin react when the Bruins’ rat used his head as a speed bag in the finals?

      • pete387 - Jan 1, 2012 at 8:43 PM

        Lucic answered the bell when Gaustad came calling. Unlike the Canucks, at least the Sabres eventually fought back.

      • foodforthesoul28 - Jan 1, 2012 at 10:25 PM

        imleftcoast-Coach orders him not to fight. I mean, He is very valuable on the ice and wastes time in the box for 5 minutes. Lucic will drop them when he has to. Atleast he’s loyal to his coaches orders Prove me wrong

      • blomfeld - Jan 1, 2012 at 11:46 PM

        @foodforthesoul28 – At the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805, Admiral Nelson was also very “valuable” to his side, yet he lost his life by choosing to put himself in harm’s way in-order to ensure victory for the Royal Navy … so while Henrietta did indeed remain loyal to his coach’s orders, his behavior in the end was a complete disservice to the notion of sacrifice and ultimate victory for his team …

      • drewsylvania - Jan 2, 2012 at 12:53 AM

        You’re either a fake troll or don’t watch hockey.

    • foodforthesoul28 - Jan 2, 2012 at 12:00 AM

      blomfeld- Ok, but Lucic is very valuable and has not lost his life on the ice. He is still alive and well and very valuable and to send him to the box for five minutes as much as say Thornton is absurd. Boston needs Lucic out there on the ice scoring points and making plays, not getting into scrums. He will get into them occasionally when needed (as proved against Gausted) but other than that, to say Lucic does not drop the gloves is absurd. We are arguing for the same reason….

      • blomfeld - Jan 2, 2012 at 2:49 PM

        @foodforthesoul28 – my apologies as I misinterpreted your comment (ie: possibly due to the New Years revelry here in my home yesterday) … I was referring to Henrik’s lack of primal aggression, etc … and you’re indeed correct about Lucic, who can and does answer the bell when required …

      • foodforthesoul28 - Jan 2, 2012 at 5:46 PM

        blomfeld- No worries! Hope you had a good time at your party! and I do see your point with Henrik…

  3. tommytd - Jan 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    I don’t think so. They’re pansies who melt under the bright lights.

    • blomfeld - Jan 1, 2012 at 8:45 PM

      fems … fairies … flakes … pussies … it doesn’t matter really, as the bottom line remains for Luongo to be returned to his boss in Florida “post-haste” together with his fat contract, thus allowing Cory Schneider to assume that which is “rightfully” his … an unfettered chance at the controls … I’m not a Canucks fan, despite living but a 45 minute walk from Rogers Arena … yet even I can see that Roberto Luongo is to the Canucks, what Brutus was to Caesar …

  4. cowboys282 - Jan 1, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    Actually they lost the Stanley Cup because Roberto Luongo couldn’t make any saves.

    • thatsdoinit - Jan 1, 2012 at 6:22 PM

      Actually they lost for more reasons than that. Remember that the puck needs to get thru five other guys before it gets to luongo.
      1. Tim Thomas is a freak. Best playoff performance by a goalie ever.
      2. Bruins defense was much better at clearing loose pucks from in front of the net.
      3. Bruins played with more emotion. Especially after Horton was hurt.
      4. Bruins are a tougher stronger team. This is not debatable.
      5. Canucks sat back and took abuse. Best way to stop a bully? Punch him in the mouth. You may not win the fight, but he will respect you and know you won’t take any crap. If someone punches your captain, you smack him. It seems the bruins have more of a pack mentality, which makes a team stronger, gentlemen.
      6. The diving. Now before Canucks fans get all huffy, you have to admit that it was excessive. It allowed the bruins to take liberties. It’s crying ‘wolf’. If it happens too often, how will the refs know what’s real? It’s a bad thing if your opponent does not respect you. Now most of the league doesn’t either. And you fans wonder why you’re hated. (there’s more reasons than that, but that’s for another time. )
      7. The Canucks stars folded like cheap lawn furniture. They were non-existent. You won’t win by scoring 8 goals in seven games. One of the Sedin twins (forgive me, I can’t remember which one) even said “I would rather have people say that I don’t show up in the playoffs rather than not show up in the regular season.” Huh? Excuse me? That’s when you need to show up, sir. That’s one of the team leaders? And I don’t want to hear about playing hurt, because if you’re not playing hurt in the playoffs then you’re not giving it everything.
      8. The bruins are just a better all around team. The Canucks have skill. Boatloads of it. But as former sharks coach Kevin Constantine once said: “In the playoffs, will beats skill.”

      I’m not a Canucks fan by any means. I’m an oiler fan. (yes I realize my team is playing like hot garbage, so you can save those comments. I’m realistic. I understand. I know where we are in the standings). But Luongo is a damn good goalie. I’m sick of hearing everyone blame him for everything.

      • blomfeld - Jan 1, 2012 at 8:20 PM

        thatsdoinit … an excellent and accurate analysis … and with point # 6 under your list of charges, I’d like to add my two cents worth, if I may … you mention that “there’s more reasons than that, but that’s for another time” … well in response to that, I’d like to say that apparently there are fish in the Pacific Ocean … no kidding there are more reasons than that ! … when I see 5,000 “well-heeled” clowns from Canucks Nation here go and invade some American arena and start pompously singing “O Canada”, I have to seriously sit back and take a deep breath … I am a Canadian man and as such, nothing irks me more than this type of boorish, disrespectful, short-sighted and ignorant behavior … I live only a 45 minute walk from Rogers Arena … and yet this fact alone, may be “exactly” the reason why I refuse to sign on here with the local sentiment …

      • blomfeld - Jan 1, 2012 at 8:57 PM

        pugsley927 – given the Presidents Trophy and being their 40th year and such, it was indeed “theirs for the taking” … but they didn’t do it and “praise be” for that I say … it sounds like you may be partially retarded or something ? … therefore I’m going to abstain from hitting back at you in kind … nonetheless friend, the “best” team won last June and for that we should all be thankful! …

      • imleftcoast - Jan 2, 2012 at 12:09 AM

        Fat ass Lucic fell on the Canucks #1 D-man, which was the turning point. Rome was then suspended for four games. Marchand was allowed to punch the twins in the face. That was pretty much it.

    • blomfeld - Jan 1, 2012 at 7:58 PM

      cowboys282 … in the final analysis, that’s “exactly” why the Canucks fell short last June … this “over-rated, over-paid, conceited, Florida-based, Michelin Man” will forever be a source of controversy here in Vancouver, until such time that he delivers the goods when it counts … even on our local “house” radio here, no more do we hear crap like “best goalie on the planet” and such, as they too are unable to simply discount fact … while it’s fun to poke fun at the Sedin brothers, you have to acknowledge that they’re both good players and good people .. Luongo on the other hand, is as transparent as he is the Achilles heel, of what should “rightfully” have been the Stanley Cup Champions last summer …

      • pugsley927 - Jan 1, 2012 at 8:20 PM

        if they were “rightfully” the champs, they’d have won it….idiot

  5. BurkieInBoston - Jan 1, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    Nice try lefty = http://m.youtube.com/index?client=mv-google&desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB&rdm=4ozmbjpfw#/watch?v=6O8sR1nLshE

    • imleftcoast - Jan 2, 2012 at 12:11 AM

      Nice try with the Youtube jackwad.

      • BurkieInBoston - Jan 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM

        I’m so sorry the link didn’t work for you, lefty. Here try this one = http://youtu.be/QmvdY9tHRjc

        Happy New Year!

  6. BurkieInBoston - Jan 1, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    swing and a miss

  7. pens919209 - Jan 1, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    Maybe they didn’t score in the finals because they were worried about getting pushed around. Hard to score when you’re looking over your shoulder… or looking for a call from the refs.

  8. gallyhatch - Jan 1, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    Who’s more in denial, the Canucks or their fans?

    • pugsley927 - Jan 1, 2012 at 8:20 PM

      ditto

    • blomfeld - Jan 1, 2012 at 8:29 PM

      the Canuck fans are … especially the ones from Surrey !

  9. pugsley927 - Jan 1, 2012 at 8:18 PM

    Henrietta is right, they lost in the final cuz they couldn’t score goals…and they’re a bunch of pussies.

    • tommytd - Jan 1, 2012 at 8:22 PM

      And then their “fans” rip apart their city and then ask the NHL to help with the rebuilding costs. What a bunch of morons over there.

  10. BurkieInBoston - Jan 1, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    lefty must’ve got scared after he searched “Lucic fights” on YouTube … or something?

    • imleftcoast - Jan 2, 2012 at 12:12 AM

      Didn’t see any fights. Hardly a surprise, guy f’ing turtles.

      • BurkieInBoston - Jan 2, 2012 at 1:48 PM

        Wrong link, lefty. Here’s Lucic turtling vs Sabres about a month ago = http://youtu.be/6O8sR1nLshE

      • pete387 - Jan 2, 2012 at 1:56 PM

        Turtles? You must be talking about the gutless, finger chomping, cheap shot artist that is Alexandre Burrows.

  11. danphipps01 - Jan 1, 2012 at 10:52 PM

    It seems like a false dichotomy. Henrik’s missing the point – it’s not an either-or question. They didn’t score, but that doesn’t mean they WERE tough. They weren’t tough on the puck, lost it to strong, physical Bruins own-zone play, and were forced to taking shots from the outside, which were easy for Tim Thomas to stop – so one part of of the problem they had with scoring was SPECIFICALLY a lack of toughness.

    thatsdoinit – yeah, there are plenty of Luongo-unrelated reasons that the ‘Nucks lost, but don’t make it lighter on him than it ought to be. Part of the ‘Nucks’ offensive timidness was because they were worried that any accidental turnovers would result in a chance on Luongo – which by game five or so everyone just assumed meant a goal. Fact is, teams draw a LOT of morale from their goalies, arguably moreso than any other player on the ice. The Bruins knew Tim Thomas would bail them out of a lot of mistakes, and that kind of confidence really lets a team fly on the ice. By contrast, the Canucks were pressured to play a perfect game, because they knew if they made a mistake the odds of a Bruins goal were far too high to risk – and when an athlete is constantly thinking about how he can’t make a mistake, he makes a mistake. So Luongo’s play put a mountain of pressure on everyone else around him, and while I’m hardly going to go out of my way to defend the myriad other guys who came up short, Luongo really seemed like he came up the shortest. The Bruins knew Thomas had their backs for anything. The Canucks knew they had to have their own, because Luongo might well not.

    • blomfeld - Jan 1, 2012 at 11:34 PM

      @danphipps01 – this is excellent forensic analysis on your part …

    • thatsdoinit - Jan 1, 2012 at 11:44 PM

      Valid and fair assessment, sir. The intent of my earlier post was not necessarily to make it lighter on Luongo, but merely bring attention to team related reasons for the series loss. Yes, Luongo is to blame for some things, but he is not the only reason. I feel it’s ridiculous to place blame solely on one player. You must also understand that I reside in Vancouver. I have to listen to fans and media consistently bash Luongo.

      Now, make no mistake, as an oiler fan, I hate the Canucks. From the depths of my soul. No one was happier than I was when Boston won. But would I want to see Luongo in Oiler blue? Absolutely. He’s still a class A goaltender. These Canuck fans are very spoiled to have not one, but two stellar goaltenders. I have to listen to the bandwagon jumping masses in this city claim how much Luongo sucks. Not once did I hear any of the points I made earlier from anyone. No sir, it all comes down to the goalie. Not the team.

      I find it very frustrating when so called “fans” of a team expect championships every year, yet don’t support the team during the down times. They dust off their old Bertuzzi and Bure jerseys once playoffs roll around, yet can’t name four defenseman on the team. Maybe follow the team for a full season, then make judgements. It’s called loyalty, people. And the way the fans reacted after the game 7 loss, twice, they don’t deserve a damn championship.

      (apologies to any real die hard Canucks fans. I know there’s a handful of you out there, and I respect you. But even you have to be tired of the bandwagoners. )

      • danphipps01 - Jan 2, 2012 at 1:09 AM

        Vancouver-born and raised. Trust me, I know your pain. I’ve lived in a few places over the years, but I’ve always come back home and for all the things I love about my city, it has almost no idea what hockey even is. That’s the one thing I really can’t excuse. For a Canadian city, and one of the biggest of them at that, to be so ridiculous about hockey is just fucking sad. There are plenty of actual hockey fans here – being Canadian, this is sort of a given – but we also have far too many bandwagoning white-collar yuppies whose interest in hockey only came up in the last two years, if not the last eight months.

        These people barely know the sport and feel entitled to ridiculous opinions and fanaticism despite that. Christ, I know EXACTLY what you mean. Montreal fans might be crazy, but at least they’re LOYAL. They don’t just hop in when the weather’s fair, break some windows and stop caring when their team loses a series. They’re crazy enough to riot and all manner of ridiculous things, but they’re loyal enough to be there for the shitty years, so I can fucking respect that they ACTUALLY CARE. When they throw riots, they can say they’ve been waiting YEARS to see Lord Stanley’s return. The idiots wearing our colours, breaking our shit, starting fires in our city and claiming to be “fans”? Yeah, they couldn’t tell you which Sedin the captain is if the “D.” and “H.” weren’t conveniently printed on the jerseys they bought halfway into the playoff run. They picked up the sport a matter of MONTHS ago.

        I love my city, but I have no tolerance for the fairweather fuckwits calling themselves “fans.” Maybe show a slight interest in the sport outside what your home team has done in the last year or two and I’ll judge less harshly, but half these people don’t even know who Trevor Linden is. It’s sickening.

      • blomfeld - Jan 2, 2012 at 3:29 PM

        “Vancouver born & raised” danphipps01 – Your remarks include a lot of fact and make for a very interesting and agreeable read … and I can personally relate to much of what you say. Though born in Montreal, I’ve also lived here for most of my life and I’ve been following the Canucks from day 1. The first game I ever attended was against Gordie Howe and the Red Wings in Nov ’70 … Orland Kurtenbach was my first Canuck hero (ie: I was over the moon when my dad came home one day and told us that he had just done a repair job at his house and that he was a “good guy” etc) … my friends and I got chased down Renfrew Street in ’75 by the entire Flyers team after we threw a rock at their bus … and today my Swedish ex co-owns a store in Yaletown together with Trevor Linden’s wife. Now I’m no longer a Canucks fan … and yet maybe I am, as I continue to follow them through “thick and thin” year in and year out ? But I do seriously hear what you’re saying about “actual” hockey fans here, as opposed to all of these bandwagon idiots who’ve just recently discovered the sport. Case in point was this “kissing couple” from last year’s riot … the guy was some suck-hole from Australia who had only arrived here some months before and the chick was another suck-hole who had only recently come here from Ontario … neither of them were true Vancouverites and neither of them were true hockey fans ! That’s just the way it is I suppose ? … nonetheless, the silent majority of us who are real fans are still here … and we’re not going away anytime soon … keep the faith …

  12. drewsylvania - Jan 2, 2012 at 12:56 AM

    “imleftcoast – Jan 2, 2012 at 12:12 AM
    Didn’t see any fights. Hardly a surprise, guy f’ing turtles.”

    I guess 2012 is Opposite Year.

  13. tn16 - Jan 2, 2012 at 2:19 AM

    I admit it kesler is a baby
    But the twins are tough they take more hits then anyone else
    They are as tough as anyone else

  14. tn16 - Jan 2, 2012 at 2:22 AM

    And Dan is right it is sad that there are nuks fans that don’t know Trevor!
    He is the toughest player ever to dress in Vancouver

  15. boxcar5150 - Jan 2, 2012 at 2:33 AM

    The Sedin sisters are ALWAYS crying.They themselves need to be beat down.QUIT CRYING AND PLAY HOCKEY

  16. bollandio - Jan 2, 2012 at 9:30 AM

    um, like I said…

  17. BurkieInBoston - Jan 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    Anyone want to go over to the Comments on the Subban/Plekanec practice fight? This place rules!!!

  18. vanfoodman - Jan 2, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    The Canucks won one less game than the Bruins and that makes them lesser men than the Bruins? ONE GAME? They played as long as anyone last year. Longer than the Hawks, Predators , Sharks, Capitols, Flyers, Red Wings… They played longer than 28 other teams and they aren’t tough enough? Are you kidding me? I am sick of ‘men’ who sit on their collective asses most of the time questioning the intestinal fortitude of professional athletes who train year round, put their bodies through the most grueling physical tests day after day, live with countless injuries (most we don’t ever hear about), travel hundreds of thousands of miles a year, barely see their families, deal with the pressure from fans and have to answer stupid questions from the media. Not tough? The hell they’re not!

    • thatsdoinit - Jan 2, 2012 at 4:12 PM

      Hockey players are tough in the real world. No one is denying that.

      But by hockey standards, (set by decades and loads of players throughout history), the Canucks are not tough. Skilled? Absolutely. Tough? No, sir.

      If you need further evidence, feel free to scroll up to my earlier post and read points 5, 6, and 7.

      • espo58 - Jan 2, 2012 at 8:32 PM

        As a Chicago Blackhawk fan for 40+ years, I have a great respect for the skill of the current Canucks and yes, Dave Bolland does go over board with some of his comments but I have to wonder if the Canucks are mentally tough enough to overcome their own perception of what the hockey world thinks of them. From their GM actually opening his mouth before Game 7 of last year’s 1st round series about how they weren’t getting the calls to Alain Vigneault’s remarks about Bolland (who was obviously trying to elicit a response from them), its no wonder that the most of the hockey world was rooting for the Bruins.

    • blomfeld - Jan 2, 2012 at 4:53 PM

      vanfoodman – no doubt you’re a local here and you likely mean well, etc … nonetheless, I’m compelled to reply back that our Canucks were “far lesser” men than the Bruins ! … we were outscored 23-8 in total, all three Vancouver wins at home were by one goal while all four Boston wins were convincing routs, our 10 million dollar “franchise” goalie was yanked more times than I can remember and the Swedish “aversion to confrontation” which is now prevalent on the team was completely and utterly exploited … as for these guys being “warriors” and such ? … again I have to respectfully disagree … these guys “jet set” about in absolute luxury, replete with their entourage of servants, trainers, nutritionists, psychiatrists, doctors, personal assistants, financial advisers, etc … I have far greater respect for some traveling salesman who has to fly commercial, or some forestry worker who “really” puts life and limb on the line every day … don’t get me wrong, as they are dedicated athletes for the most part … but it has to be kept in perspective …

  19. mornelithe - Jan 3, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    Man, even the title of this article sounds like someone whining.

  20. violettdesire - Jan 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM

    Yes, Henrik, you did win the Presidents’ Trophy. But no one fucking remembers the Presidents’ Trophy winners. When everyone looks back on that season people won’t be saying, Henrik Sedin, captain of the 2011 Presidents’ Trophy winner, they’ll be saying Zdeno Chara, captain of the 2011 Stanley Cup champs. It doesn’t matter how tough you play in the regular season if you can sustain it during the post-season. No one dreams of playing in the NHL and winning the Presidents’ Trophy. They dream about playing in the NHL and winning the Stanley Cup.

  21. jason9696 - Jan 6, 2012 at 8:38 PM

    Canuck fans are the most moronic in the entire NHL. I think the 1994 and 2011 riots prove that.

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