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You be Shanahan: Which of these hits warrants discipline?

Dec 21, 2011, 1:39 PM EDT

PHT isn’t much for role-playing (these masks are for Halloween-related purposes! I swear!) but today, it feels apropos. There were four contentious hits in the NHL last night and it’s safe to assume the league’s discipline czar will be busy reviewing them today.

So here’s your big chance to be Brendan Shanahan. Iron your shirt, put on a nice sports coat and judge these hits.

Hit No. 1: Deryk Engelland on Marcus Kruger

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Relevant factoids: No penalty on the play for Engelland (unless you count getting whaled on by John Scott a penalty). Kruger played the remainder of the first period before being pulled from the game. Kruger now out with a concussion.

Hit No. 2: Alex Semin on Jordin Tootoo

Relevant factoids: Semin got two minutes for boarding. Tootoo appeared no worse for wear and finished with 14:49 of ice time.

PHT opining: Can’t help but think if it was Tootoo that boarded Semin, he’d have the book thrown at him.

Hit No. 3: Paul Gaustad on Jesse Winchester

Relevant factoids: No penalty for Gaustad on the play. Winchester left the game and didn’t return; he’s now out with a concussion.

Hit No. 4: Evander Kane on Al Montoya

Relevant factoids: Kane got two minutes for goaltender interference. Montoya left the game and didn’t return with an apparent upper-body injury. Arthur Staple of Newsday confirmed Montoya was cleared to fly home with the team.

Okay, let’s go. Verdicts in the comments section. Do it. Do it.

  1. millertime30 - Dec 21, 2011 at 1:52 PM

    this hit was worse than any of them.. no suspension

    Gerbe’s still out.

    Shanny’s kind of a joke..

  2. comeonnowguys - Dec 21, 2011 at 2:02 PM

    Most- to least-suspendable


  3. madtolive5 - Dec 21, 2011 at 2:06 PM

    Kane suspended.
    Others are okay.

  4. trigzter - Dec 21, 2011 at 2:08 PM

    as a flyers fan…something probably should have happened because of that ^^^^. Bourdon isn’t a repeat offender though so he may not have been suspended.

    As for these 4. Ive got #1 and #4 getting the shanahammer.

  5. hague507 - Dec 21, 2011 at 3:18 PM

    I think Semin should get a 20 game suspension. Not because of ther boarding hit but because of his lazy arce way of playing. Yes he scored in the game but his scoring is much less frequent than his stupid penalties.

  6. cdiercksen - Dec 21, 2011 at 5:25 PM

    Gaustad’s was a bang-bang play, but he has to know the situation is potentially a bad one and a two-handed shove is not the smartest thing. Personally I don’t think plays resulting in injury should get any additional consideration, but since Shannahammer does, this one gets the Longest suspension of the group.

    Engelland got his hands up and there was an injury and homeboy was lookin pretty vulnerable to begin with. 2nd longest suspension.

    Semin was careless and wreckless. No injury on the play. maybe 1 game.

    Kane was very clearly checked by the defensemen, causing him to lose his balance at high speeds and run into montoya. No suspension. This was incidental contact, dangerous though it may be. The only thing Kane did wrong was play hockey really really well.

  7. elvispocomo - Dec 21, 2011 at 5:56 PM

    The play with Kane warrants nothing other than a room where the Montoya can yell at the defenceman for letting Kane around him but then checking him straight into the goalie.

    I don’t like Gaustad’s crosscheck so I’d say 1-2 games (does he have any priors?).

    Didn’t see the other two and the videos won’t load (I’ll check them out later) but regardless of the play, I don’t agree with the amount a player was injured should have anything to do with the length of the suspension.

  8. hazlydose - Dec 21, 2011 at 6:11 PM

    Engelland 4 games. He left his feet and head was the principle point of contact. Also had no control of stick through the check. Was just wreckless. (This from a pens fan)

    Semin 2 games. He saw the numbers and still drove him through into the boards. No attempt to lessen contact.

    Gaustad nothing. Hit him from the side, not directly behind. Clean hit

    Kane nothing. Got checked into the goalie by the defender. Hard to get out of the way when your moving that fast.

  9. danphipps01 - Dec 21, 2011 at 6:41 PM

    Engelland two games. Factoring on-ice response in, as Shanny sometimes does, he can probably get away with a bit of a shortened one. He DID thoroughly lose the ensuing fight. Although, I don’t know about a history. If he has one, four. If not, two.

    Semin, three. No attempt to slow down, clear hit from behind. Absolutely textbook “do not fucking do this” hit. No injury, fine, but think about it – if Tootoo was out, or if Tootoo had thrown the same hit on Semin instead, it’d be minimum five. Three’s fair considering there was no injury.

    Gaustaud – agree with the commentator. Winchester’s head got shoved into the boards, but that was an accidental result of a clean, hard bit of physical play. If that HADN’T happened, we wouldn’t be discussing it at all, and it didn’t look at all intentional, so… yeah, nothing.

    Kane – nothing. He got shoved by the defender. Looks like almost everyone commenting saw it that way. Easiest of the four. No time lost.

    Now let’s see what he does with ’em.

  10. tbeilfuss - Dec 21, 2011 at 6:54 PM

    I think that the NHL, if its not already, amend Rule 41 and any other rule to deal with that hit. I think it should be a penalty to hit a player that is already being engaged physically by another skater. That player being engaged is vunerable and incapable to of protecting himself or even see the other guy coming.

  11. tbeilfuss - Dec 21, 2011 at 7:09 PM

    Oh and they should start sitting the head coaches out for a few games. That will certainly clean it up because do you think a guy wants to skate back to the bench to a coach that knows he is prolly gonna get suspended because of what his idiot player just did?!?!?!

    • danphipps01 - Dec 22, 2011 at 6:29 AM

      I’ve been saying something similar for a while. Some combination of fines to the team, to the GM, to the coach, and/or (obviously not all) suspensions to the coach taking effect when a player with a history of bad hits makes another one. Watch how fucking fast the bad hits disappear when it’s not JUST the bottom-six agitator losing time and salary, but the coach or the GM. Taking a major penalty on a bad hit is ALREADY more disadvantageous for the team in the short term – so imagine how fast the GMs would clamp down on their players if their OWN asses were thrown into the fire as well. It’d clear up right quick.

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