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Video: Milbury and Jones discuss Flyers/Lightning weirdness

Nov 9, 2011, 11:24 PM EDT

After the first intermission, Mike Milbury and Keith Jones weighed in on the odd scene in the first period of the Lightning’s 2-1 victory over the Flyers. The Lightning sat back in their familiar 1-3-1 defensive system that waits for the opposition to attack. The Flyers sat back and waited for the Tampa Bay forwards to attack and actually do something more than just stand in the neutral zone.

The result was something that we don’t see every day. Here’s what Milbury and Jones had to say about the defensive tactic and Flyers’ head coach Peter Laviolette’s response:

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  1. grudenthediva - Nov 9, 2011 at 11:39 PM

    Disgusting broadcast and if not for Enzo’s level-headed approach (and completely reasonable), it would have been much worse. So let me get this straight – this is a team you pimp as much as possible once they dump two of your mancrush franchises in the playoffs and now all of a sudden they are some lumbering, suffocating, boring trap team?

    VS claimed players wouldnt want to play that way, for that coach. Excuse me but CBC did a poll of NHL players and guess which team came in 4th for the “Where would you like to play?” poll and which coach got 3rd on his own poll? Which team has two Richard trophy winners, a former MVP and Art Ross winner and a shitload of offensive firepower (even Marc Andre Bergeron is scoring for crying out loud)? They act as if the Lightning play 2-1 games every night when CLEARLY this isn’t the case – they score a ton and give up a ton. One minute its exciting hockey and now all of a sudden, because one of your holiest of holy teams decides they want to pick up the puck and go home, its a travesty?

    Go ahead. Talk about it at the GM meetings. Yzerman will smack that crap down in a heartbeat.

    Also, McGuire, tell us how Rinaldo’s ass tastes, or were you not deep enough yet?

    I was incensed at how this broadcast was insulting our coach repeatedly, implying guys don’t want to play for him, implying that he’s hurting our top players, complaining about every PP we got and to top it off insulting one of the most respected and well-loved players in the game. Then when the Lightning win the game without several important players & hold them to 15 shots, they’ve got nothing to say in their brief time before they cut out. It was completely unprofessional from beginning to end.

    Last thing: They do have a forechecker. That’s the first “1”. Now, do they forecheck to the point of sending said “1” so deep into the zone to blatantly allow for an opposition outlet pass to leave said “1” so far behind the play it leaves us a defensive gap? No, no we do not. If we wanted to be really rude about it, we’d line up that “1” along the other 3, and just play a 0-4-1.

    Regardless, this whole thing was just absurd and I, for one, am proud of Boucher and the team to sticking to their guns and not giving in to Lavi’s temper tantrum display of a counter. For those Philly fans claiming this little display is what got us to cease the 1-3-1, that’s plain idiocy. What got us to cease the 1-3-1 was Philly scoring. That’s what has ALWAYS gotten us out of the 1-3-1. As the trailing team, we have a NEED to aggressively forecheck at potential risk of defensive gaps. Score on us, Philly, it can be done. Ask the other 27 (not counting WAS) teams in the league who manage it.

    Lightning win. Again. You mad?

    • cbchase44 - Nov 10, 2011 at 1:46 AM

      Right on my man! Boucher should be embarrassed? Why should a coach be embarrassed using tactics his sport allows him to use? Don’t hate the player, or in this case the coach, hate the game Milbury and Jones. That two minute rant you spent taking down Boucher should have been devoted to Bettman. Scoreboard fools!

    • spiffy53 - Nov 10, 2011 at 8:03 AM

      absolutely incorrect. the 1-3-1 is an absolute embarrassment to hockey. it is pure gutless. if every team played it, there would be no one watching it. i realize that lightning fans are fairly new to hockey, but cut me a break. absolute garbage way to play./

      • bobdtn - Nov 10, 2011 at 8:57 AM

        Dude you are an idiot.Lightning fans are new to hockey?What rock have you been living under?So tell me just what has your team won in the last 20 years???Oh and who won the game last night???

      • spiffy53 - Nov 10, 2011 at 9:26 AM

        it’s not about winning or losing. it’s the integrity of the game. lets just go back to clutch and grab hockey in the neutral zone then.

    • bobdtn - Nov 10, 2011 at 9:01 AM

      Great post.I truly hate when Lightning games are on VS.Please VS go back to showing only Penguins and Capitals games.Funny thing is I have watched all but one Lightning game this year.The Philadelphia Cryers are the first team I have seen react this way.It is also the first time I have seen the Lightning play the 1-3-1 that much.I wonder if Boucher knew they would do that and wanted to prove a point.Well Cryers fans,point made you lose 2-1.Lightning are now 4-0-1 vs the Cryers since last year.

      • spiffy53 - Nov 10, 2011 at 10:01 AM

        That’s ok. it’s a long season. and i suspect the 1-3-1 will be gone before the playoffs. you might want to call that one a win for the Flyers and a loss for the Lightning where it really counts. Point Made Lightning Lose.

      • hystoracle - Nov 10, 2011 at 10:41 AM

        Spiffy your dead wrong. Don’t hold your breath waiting for the 1-3-1 to disappear because it isn’t going anywhere. Other teams are starting to copycat it. The Devils won how many cups by clogging the neutral zone? The only way you slow teams down is to clog the neutral zone which is what the 1-3-1 does. If Philly wants to sit in their own zone all night then be my guest. Just makes them that much easier to defend. You saw a test of wills — and Boucher won. Laviolette just played into Boucher’s game plan by having his guys camp out in their own zone.

        It is entirely up to the team WITH the puck to attack. The team without the puck must DEFEND in which ever way they see fit. It’s up to the offensive team to figure out how to beat it. The easiest way to beat a defensive system is to get a goal or two. That usually forces the defensive team to abandon their defensive system and get more aggressive to catch up.

        Flyers deserve all the blame for refusing to play. It was childish and unprofessional – period. Almost as unprofesssional as the commentators on Versus were in their comments. There is a reason Milbury and Mcguire are commentating and no longer coaching.

      • spiffy53 - Nov 10, 2011 at 2:18 PM

        hystoracle, i’m sorry i did not realize the devils still use the clutch and grab trap. oh wait, they don’t? why? oh, that’s right, the rulebook was changed. keep trying….

  2. joeylightning - Nov 9, 2011 at 11:46 PM

    it is already in the rule book…

    72.1 Refusing or Abstaining from Playing the Puck – The purpose of this section is to enforce continuous action and both Referees and Linesmen should interpret and apply the rule to produce this result.

    the flyers have control of the puck in their own zone and must play it. they should have received a delay of game penalty.

    • cbchase44 - Nov 10, 2011 at 1:55 AM

      Exactly. Philly was in the wrong here, not Tampa Bay. And how’s it that bad when they give up more goals than 5/6 of the league.

  3. eyecorporations - Nov 10, 2011 at 12:10 AM

    Milbury is a fucking idiot. It’s the Lightning’s fault that Philly isn’t playing the puck? Give me a break.

    This is the same guy that was arguing after the Pronger hit that players shouldn’t wear face shields because it makes the game less entertaining.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 10, 2011 at 1:19 AM

      These are what qualify as hockey experts in the US? I can’t stand Milbury on CBC, hard to believe he can by a thousand times more obnoxious and idiotic but here’s the proof

  4. mattjha - Nov 10, 2011 at 2:28 AM

    Actually, for the first time in his life, Mike Milbury was right here.
    The Lightning strategy was boring and pathetic, and wasn’t really hockey. There was no forecheck… there wasn’t…. anything. I’m sure glad I didn’t pay to watch that game.

    The Simpsons made a joke about this type of passive/pathetic play some years ago, you should Youtube “Simpsons, Soccer”. And this is what hockey is being reduced to. If there’s any difference between this parody and what we all saw on the ice tonight, let me know.

    Peter Laviolette and the Flyers are right to make a joke about this in Tampa Bay in front of Tampa’s own fans. At least Tampa could at least try to score a goal first before playing the trap. Jones is right in this broadcast, if you’re NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY TO GET THE PUCK, then you should be penalized, faceoff in the Tampa Bay zone. At least try to get the lead first Tampa.

    And Tampa isn’t the only team playing this type of lame conservative style. Jacques Martin’s Canadiens were playing the trap when they were TRAILING the Oilers 1-0.

    Oh well. Good win Tampa Bay. Everyone is going to be joking about your boring style tommorow and how much it sucks to pay to watch that cr@p. The NHL is a league driven by sales made at the gate. This isn’t chess on ice, bring back hockey.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 10, 2011 at 2:48 AM

      There is no difference between that Simpsons clip and what the Flyers were doing tonight, they’re identical. If Tampa wants to play non-aggressive defense the Flyers need to go right at them. Why should a player have to try and get the puck? The guy with the puck should do something with it. The Flyers chose not to and that to me is way stupider than playing 1-3-1

    • bobdtn - Nov 10, 2011 at 8:55 AM

      Who won the game Flyer boy???
      Oh thats right the Lightning.And Im pretty sure all the boos when your team refused to play the puck were aimed at the Philadelphia Cryers.

    • hystoracle - Nov 10, 2011 at 10:49 AM

      Scoreboard.. as far as the gate goes.. Lightning aren’t struggling too bad there either.. IN fact, a 2-1 win over the hated Flyers will go a long way to selling even more tickets. We do have superstars in Tampa…. Stamkos, Lecavalier, and St. Louis sell tickets. Winning sells even more.. Go Bolts!! Play your game!! 1-3-1 your way to a championship.

  5. rexadelphia8 - Nov 10, 2011 at 2:52 AM

    Tampa bay are a bunch of pussies. Play the game bitch

    • bobdtn - Nov 10, 2011 at 8:53 AM

      Spoken like a true Neanderthal Flyers fan.

    • hystoracle - Nov 10, 2011 at 10:49 AM

      Tampa Bay wasn’t the one refusing to bring the puck up the ice. The Flyers were the cowards.

  6. bobdtn - Nov 10, 2011 at 8:53 AM

    The VS crew last night should be embarrassed by the hoer display they put on last night.Were you guys wearing your Flyers underwear last night?Since when in any sport is the onus on the team without the puck/ball to be on the offensive?Basketball,team with ball HAS to move the ball,Football,team with the ball is the one on the attack.Soccer,team with ball moves the ball.In football when a team sees a defense they dont like do they take a knee.In basketball they get a foul for not moving the ball.Sorry to all you Flyers marks out there but your team was the joke last night.Afraid to move up the ice because you dont like the defense you are facing.As for that idiot Pierre McGuire.Take a look at the team scoring for the Lightning.They are #5 with a 3gpg average.You also asked the question about whether or not a guy like Stamkos can play under this kind of system.Hate to burst your Flyer bubble but as of last night he had 16pts through 15 games.Lightning have 3 players in the Top 30 in scoring.Your Flyers have 2.Maybe your Flyers should learn to move the puck up the ice and try and score.FYI the Flyers are at 3.8 gpg average.

    • rca26 - Nov 10, 2011 at 9:27 AM

      Versus is owned by Comcast. The Philadelphia Flyers are owned by Comcast. Seem like a conflict of interest to anyone?

      Bottom line, if you’re a fan of anyone but the Flyers (or just generally a rational person) you should be completely outraged by the homerism on the VS broadcast. It’s a shame that the only outlet of hockey on US national TV is unable to bridle their biases. It’s an absolute embarrassment, frankly.

      In a perfect world, Versus would apologize for having all their on-air personalities lose their cool since the Flyers were involved. That won’t happen, and I’m going to still have to watch the damn channel because I love hockey and live in the USA. But the rational minds in the hockey world shouldn’t let them get away with it unnoticed.

  7. anotheryx - Nov 10, 2011 at 9:54 AM

    Why is there a Vid of PSU trustee?

  8. ohgre - Nov 10, 2011 at 11:13 AM

    borrowed as these are my sentiments exactly: On one of the early TV breaks Guy Boucher answered succinctly to Pierre “what-a-dope” McGuire “that we will play our game and not fall into their tactics to play their game” (paraphrased).. and good for him sticking to his game plan.. but what really irked me was the way the Versus crew (including the ultimate loser coach/GM Mike Milbury.. Keith Jones.. Enzo.. and the dope) portrayed TBL as the offending team for the stalls and slow play.. when in fact it was the crybaby whiner Flyers that held the puck in their zone doing nothing.. and the Versus crew even insinuated that true hockey stars would not like to play in this system or play for this coach.. what a pile of stupidity.. what do they know about true stars? but in a sense they were correct.. the stars on the TBL don’t like playing for this coach.. they LOVE playing for him.. their teammates.. and their fans..

  9. skimmer0220 - Nov 10, 2011 at 11:32 AM

    So you guys are telling me that Football would be just as entertaining if there was absolutely no pass rush, sure it’s a different game but int theory it’s the same, Tampa plays a gutless game and is way to afraid of getting scored on, Lavvy just called your bluff and made Boucher look like a douche, the Flyers did nothing wrong here and play never should have been blown dead, ok ok so you have to move the puck around, sure thing Pronger was scating around with the puck, but if you actually watched the game you would see that Tampa became fed up with it the started sending some one in when it was still 0-0, don’t be mad that Lavvy finally figured out your scared shitless scheme, yea sure you guys won but Philly just exposed your system, if every team starts playing this scheme the league will fold because no one will want to watch it, grow some balls Tampa and play Hockey

    • mattsck - Nov 10, 2011 at 12:07 PM

      Let every team do what Philly did every night… they weren’t scoring a lot of goals while they were standing still. In fact they had 15 shots total. The Lightning have a defensive scheme that’s hard to break and so the Flyers are somehow honorable for not even trying?

    • leeeroooyjeeenkiiins - Nov 10, 2011 at 4:43 PM

      If there was absolutely no pass rush, ANY starting QB would eviscerate the opposing defense. Unless of course Laviolette became an NFL coach, in which he would just tell his team to take a knee for 3 downs and then punt.

      It’s a completely different game, and if your definition of “exposing” a system is losing, perhaps you should stop following both of them.

  10. mattsck - Nov 10, 2011 at 11:56 AM

    The 1-3-1 is defense! If the opposing offense is standing in their own zone not doing anything then it’s working! Trying to legislate that you must send a forechecker is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. It’s called zone defense… are you telling me that when a defensiveman is caught on a 2 on 1, there should be a rule that states he must go straight for the puck, he can’t play the zone and take away the pass?

    The Flyers were standing in their zone refusing to attack or move the puck and the LIGHTNING were the cowards?

    The Lightning held the most offensive team in the league to one goal and 15 shots in total without their top two defensivemen and the BOUCHER should be ashamed of himself?

    Bergeron has top points for defense and Stamkos is tied for 2nd in goals and players don’t want to play in that system?

    Give me a a break. The Lightning weren’t the team stalling. If the game looked too much like old basketball for you, then fix it like the NBA, with a shot clock, with puts the onus on the OFFENSE! It’s never the defense’s fault that the offense doesn’t advance the puck. So ridiculous.

    • mattsck - Nov 10, 2011 at 11:58 AM

      Oh yeah, and last night’s game was a sell-out, 2-1 OT win. Really embarrassing for the league and boring for the fans I’m sure.

  11. dcent87 - Nov 10, 2011 at 4:56 PM

    Tampa was clearly in the wrong…they played like scared animals…no forechecking…which should be a rule….no “shot clock” in the defensive zone

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