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Columnist rips into Canucks fans with open letter

Oct 21, 2011, 3:46 PM EDT

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Look, we know there’s been a lot of Roberto Luongo news on PHT lately. Just so we’re clear, this won’t turn into a Canucks blog just because Mike and I are from Vancouver. Believe me. We love writing about the rest of the league. You all support very interesting teams.

That said, I’d like to direct you to a column written by’s Mark Spector. It’s one of those open letters to a specific fan base that always cause a stir. You know the kind of I’m talking about. “Dear Flyers fans: You have no class, stop swearing so much, blah, blah, blah…”

This one’s to Vancouver hockey fans, and it doesn’t mess around. Here’s a sampling:

Dear Canucks fan,

From the sounds emanating from inside Rogers Arena of late, we were wondering: When did you give birth? We hadn’t even known of your pregnancy, but yet we keep hearing the sounds of crying babies.

Please excuse our inattentiveness to your ever-growing needs. We’ll start shopping for a gift immediately.

What’s that? The baby needs a new goaltender?

Well, sure … But we thought you already had a Canadian Olympic team starter, complete with the Vezina and Jennings dress-up bundle. Can’t we just send along the camper? Or the puppy waterpark set?

Spector goes on to rip the fan base for its “everyone’s out to get us” attitude. My words, not his. (His words are much meaner.)

He also essentially accuses Canucks fans of having no clue what they’re talking about before ridiculing the newspaper editorial we wrote about earlier today that called for Roberto Luongo to be traded for Vincent LeCavalier.

It’s a real doozy. You should read it.

  1. dirtydog57 - Oct 21, 2011 at 4:18 PM

    I am not a Luongo fan. He is getting paid as what a great goalie would get paid but he’s playing only as a good goalie. He didn’t win the Olympics for Canada, he was in goal at the time behind a hard working team. A great goalie makes great saves when the team in front of him makes mistakes; Luongo doesn’t, game after game. His stats are good only cause of the team he is on. Cory Schnieder is as good if not better and should be playing more games then he is. Again , he is a good goalie not a great goalie and I think that is why fans get upset.

    • twinmagic - Oct 21, 2011 at 6:22 PM

      @ dirtydog.

      Schneider participated in just 25 games last year … 25! … How can you say he’s as good or better? He’s never been a number one!! He hasnt even had pressure on him yet …..Yet, you want to ship out a veteran, proven #1, workhorse goaltender, who’s capable of playing in as many as 60 games a year, because of a 25 game long performance? … Really? Come on.

      Moreover, he did in fact win Olympic gold for Canada. He stood between the pipes and kept enough pucks out to give the team a chance to win. (That includes a gamesaver off Demitra in the dying seconds of the Slovak game). It’s not Luongo’s fault that a stacked team meant he didnt have to be stellar.. and he won, what more do you want?

      Finally, Luongo was playing lights out for a terrible Florida team, and lights out for us when he first came. Teams would dominate us and lose, then shrug to the media and say they have the best goalie in the world over there and he won it for them.. Now our team’s in it’s prime and looking to win it all, and some ups and downs in the roller coaster ride has you sick and ready to get off? Come on. People write articles that rip our fan base because of the level of insight and perspectives of people like you.

      The fan base would be better off if your breed of thought wasn’t on the bandwagon at all…

      • imleftcoast - Oct 21, 2011 at 8:42 PM

        Let’s have Schneider play half the games and then we can assess who is the bette goalie. FYI:

        Roberto Luongo | 2011 NHL Stanley Cup Finals – Statistics

        Goals Against Average (GAA) – 8.05

        Goals Against Average in Vancouver – 0.67

        Wins at Home 3-0

        Wins in Boston 0-3

        Save Percentage in Vancouver .979

        Save Percentage in Boston .773

        Goals Allowed in Vancouver 2

        Goals Allowed in Boston 15

  2. danphipps01 - Oct 21, 2011 at 4:20 PM

    Just throwing it out there, but if you don’t want to feed the “everyone’s out to get us” fire, you might try not throwing gasoline on it with posts like this. Nothing like an article whose sole purpose is eviscerating Canucks fans to (seemingly) justify their ridiculous persecution complex. Seriously, the more they’re criticized for whining, the more they’re going to point the finger shouting “Proof! Proof!”

    Hilarious though it is to crack jokes about ‘Nucks fans, you’re just egging them on at this point. Just a thought.

    • Jason Brough - Oct 21, 2011 at 4:22 PM

      But it gets page views.
      /throws more gasoline on fire

      • danphipps01 - Oct 21, 2011 at 4:35 PM

        I look at the posts recently and I have to say, it seems like that’s the goal. Let’s see… in the last four pages, there are five articles about Luongo and ‘Nucks fans, alternately eviscerating Luongo for his play and insulting Canucks fans for criticizing him. I find it hard to believe that the point ISN’T to just throw more fuel on the fire judging by the number of shots being taken here.

    • macintoshw - Oct 21, 2011 at 4:47 PM


  3. charlutes - Oct 21, 2011 at 4:40 PM

    baby’s or not, luongos holding back the best team in the NHL, period.

    • danphipps01 - Oct 21, 2011 at 4:48 PM

      It’s a hard debate to have – he set the best save GAA in the NHL by goalies not named Tim Thomas last year, and his save percentage was just a hair behind Pekka Rinne. He’s an absolutely stupendous regular-season goalie. That’s what makes it so hard to justify trading him. Think of him as the goalie equivalent of most of the Capitals roster – phenomenal in the regular season, but most of them hit a wall in the playoffs and leave Ovechkin to drag the whole team forward alone. For the same reasons that the Caps haven’t shopped Semin, Backstrom or Green around, Vancouver hasn’t shopped Luongo – they’re so fucking awesome in the regular season that it’s impossible to justify trading them away.

      • imleftcoast - Oct 21, 2011 at 8:43 PM

        Roberto Luongo | 2011 NHL Stanley Cup Finals – Statistics

        Goals Against Average (GAA) – 8.05

        Goals Against Average in Vancouver – 0.67

        Wins at Home 3-0

        Wins in Boston 0-3

        Save Percentage in Vancouver .979

        Save Percentage in Boston .773

        Goals Allowed in Vancouver 2

        Goals Allowed in Boston 15

      • polegojim - Oct 21, 2011 at 10:50 PM

        imleftcoast – true, he struggled on the road. I’d take him any day of the week. He got you to the dance.

        How many other goalies DIDN’T take their teams to the Stanley Cup Finals… 45 to be exact, 45 of them, ALL except Luongo and Thomas.

        Please send him to Detroit. You won’t have to suffer through him ANY more… in your goal.

      • danphipps01 - Oct 22, 2011 at 6:50 PM

        Yes, yes, you can copy and paste statistics. We’re all very impressed, leftcoast. They don’t change anything. Again – he was a hair’s breadth behind Thomas for best goaltender in the regular season. Nobody trades league-leading players even if they do choke in the playoffs. Semin, Backstrom and Green still have jobs for the same reason Luongo does – right up to the playoffs they are walking win machines. Thus, trading them seems crazy – the odds of you getting something that good in return are functionally none and despite what the bandwagon of armchair GMs would have you believe, if they ran Schneider sixty games a year, he wouldn’t look nearly as good as he does in their fantasies. He’s a great goalie and by no means a career backup – but he isn’t going to finish in the top three for the Vezina and he isn’t going to get Vancouver ranked #1 in the conference. It isn’t just about performance in the playoffs – you have to get there first and you have to place well to really have a shot. Luongo delivers that. That’s why they keep him. It makes more sense from a management perspective to keep trying to get your existing Vezina-competitive goalie over his issues than to trade him and hope to God whatever goalies you run instead end up better. Schneider’s had a grand total of five playoff games, and none of them were full start-to-finish performances. He either came in on a change or hurt himself trying to stop a penalty shot. No-one really knows how he’d perform as a starter for an entire playoff run and it would be insane to trade Luongo on the hope that he just hits the ice and plays spectacularly with no previous experience in the role.

  4. macintoshw - Oct 21, 2011 at 4:50 PM

    I have the Bruins banner raising ceremony on my DVR if you guys want to come over and watch it…

    • mgp1219 - Oct 25, 2011 at 12:57 PM

      I’d be willing to bet all the “don’t trade luongo” dolts would trade him in a heartbeat for Tim Thomas. Sorry, you can’t have him!

  5. seaner44 - Oct 21, 2011 at 5:13 PM

    Im a leafs fan living in Vancouver so i can say this with an unbiased opinion. The fans in vancity are some of the worst when it coms to hopping on and off the bandwagon. One day they sing praises for luongo from the top of cypress mountain and the next they are hanging a dummy if him from a hockey stick downtown during the (barely) “occupy vancouver” “rally”. However the fans do love thier hockey outhere and are passionate about it which keeps things interesting to say the least. Better to have a bunch of crybaby fans than no fans at all (see: guess the attendance night in columbus for a free ferarri article)

  6. polegojim - Oct 21, 2011 at 5:35 PM

    By al means, let’s not let the facts get in the way:

    Last three seasons:
    09-10 – 40-22 , 5th in league Goals Against at 2.57…. um I’d say that’s great, not just good
    10-11 – 38-15, 1st in league Goals Against at 2.11… yep, pretty sure that’s GREAT
    11-12 – 2-2, 22nd in league Goals Against at 3.12… and only 4, 4, 4, 4, 4 games in to the season people. Grow up.

    @charlutes AND dirtydog57…. Oh yes, he’s REALLY holding the Canucks back…. Mr. Spector was talking DIRECTLY to fan’s like you! Read his letter again and again and insert YOUR NAME.

    I’d bet you 25 other teams in the league would LOVE to trade goalies with you, right now.

    I shout out a big ‘C’mon Man’ to you whining fans in Vancouver. Consider yourselves slapped on the back of the head along with that

    To the REAL Vancouver fans who are not whining, I say LET’S GO RED WINGS!

    • dirtydog57 - Oct 21, 2011 at 5:51 PM

      Again missing the point!!! You can have good stats if you have a good team helping you out. Most goals Luongo lets in are very weak.

      • imleftcoast - Oct 21, 2011 at 8:45 PM

        Osgood without a ring = Cloutier

      • polegojim - Oct 21, 2011 at 10:42 PM

        Wait….I’M missing the point??? Whoa there my friend…

        The past two years Luongo had the #1 and #5 GOALS AGAINST AVE in the league, not team winning percentage, not won/loss, but GOALS AGAINST AVE. That’s Roberto Luongo.

        He was 17th in Save% for 09-10, when the Canucks allowed some of the HIGHEST in Shots Against HIM with 1915.
        He was 4th in Save% for 10-11 wtih .928 with 1753 shots against….

        Goals Against…. Save %%% And those are NOT team stats, no other Canuck goalies are included. Those are individual. Those are stats that Luongo earned for the guys playing in front of him and the entire team.

        Who stopped those shots? Roberto Luongo… unless you saw the Canucks put their centers, forwards, and defensemen in the crease to stop shots while Luongo was on the ice. Not very likely, eh?

        C’MON MAN, you know better than that. You know what the stats mean. See I hear it’s a GREAT place for stats.

        I have an idea – Since he’s SUCH a problem, please put him up for trade immediately. The Red Wings will help put you out of your misery and add him to our roster…without blinking.

    • imleftcoast - Oct 26, 2011 at 4:05 PM

      If Cory Schneider’s numbers are better, does he get the starts? Even though the numbers are important to Luongo pity party people, wehn faced with the fact that Schneider’s numbers are better, then it switches to how many games played last year. Let the better goalie play or, better yet, send Luongo to Detriot for Lidstrom.

      • t16rich - Oct 28, 2011 at 11:35 AM

        Was that a joke????? Seriouslly. I need to know if there is actually a human being out there that thinks Ken Holland would trade Nik Lidstrom for Roberto Luongo. Im probally Lu’s biggest backer and still laughed out loud when I read that. Lidstrom for Lu??? Maybe if Canuck fans break into Red Wings head quarters and hold a gun to Ken Hollands head. I dont even think a video game would accept that trade. Maybe Lu for Lidstroms jock strap. CMON MAN!!!

  7. canucks18 - Oct 21, 2011 at 6:36 PM

    Polegojim & twinmagic… I agree with your statements completely. I’m glad theirs a few good ones out there still

  8. garys79 - Oct 21, 2011 at 10:43 PM

    Good work with the site guys, keep it up.

  9. Nowhere Man - Oct 23, 2011 at 12:18 AM


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