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	<title>Comments on: Vancouver city council rips NHL over Stanley Cup riots; Do they have a point?</title>
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		<title>By: emperor83</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 02:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not the NHLs fault Vancouver&#039;s full of savages who can&#039;t handle a Stanley Cup loss to a better, more Cup worthy team. I think the NHL should move the Canucks to Seattle for a few years to make them pay. These city council idiots need to learn the lesson American students, as well as Canadians outside the Vancouver area learned in Kindergarten/early years/whatever: &quot;He did it!&quot; doesn&#039;t get you out of trouble...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the NHLs fault Vancouver&#8217;s full of savages who can&#8217;t handle a Stanley Cup loss to a better, more Cup worthy team. I think the NHL should move the Canucks to Seattle for a few years to make them pay. These city council idiots need to learn the lesson American students, as well as Canadians outside the Vancouver area learned in Kindergarten/early years/whatever: &#8220;He did it!&#8221; doesn&#8217;t get you out of trouble&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jbniner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jbniner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 01:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Montreal police &quot;investigate&quot; Chara for an on-ice hit, and Vancouver blames the NHL for their own failures in controlling a throng of thugs and hooligans, whose presence was largely created by the city&#039;s desire to have viewing parties and other public gatherings.  Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Canada.  It&#039;s scary to think that these City Council members might have children, teaching them the same principles of responsibility they so aptly display here.

As has been mentioned previously, I suppose the NHL could just remove the team from Vancouver as a means of controlling the hooliganism that will undoubtedly break out in the future.  Clearly, the city is just so fanatical about hockey that it is incapable of hosting an NHL franchise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Montreal police &#8220;investigate&#8221; Chara for an on-ice hit, and Vancouver blames the NHL for their own failures in controlling a throng of thugs and hooligans, whose presence was largely created by the city&#8217;s desire to have viewing parties and other public gatherings.  Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Canada.  It&#8217;s scary to think that these City Council members might have children, teaching them the same principles of responsibility they so aptly display here.</p>
<p>As has been mentioned previously, I suppose the NHL could just remove the team from Vancouver as a means of controlling the hooliganism that will undoubtedly break out in the future.  Clearly, the city is just so fanatical about hockey that it is incapable of hosting an NHL franchise.</p>
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		<title>By: dcent87</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dcent87]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 22:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lol....come on Vancouver that&#039;s low]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol&#8230;.come on Vancouver that&#8217;s low</p>
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		<title>By: nothanksimdriving123</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 22:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, the official reason for that was quite strange: Traffic problems on Vancouver Island, which your map will tell you is many miles away, across a body of water, from the city itself. I don&#039;t recall the riots being mentioned as a reason. As I said, strange.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the official reason for that was quite strange: Traffic problems on Vancouver Island, which your map will tell you is many miles away, across a body of water, from the city itself. I don&#8217;t recall the riots being mentioned as a reason. As I said, strange.</p>
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		<title>By: chobes68</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 18:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rather pathetic of the council pointing the finger elsewhere. No wonder no one has been prosecuted in this. Didn&#039;t Vancouver riot the last time they lost in the finals? I haven&#039;t seen this brought up before, but it certainly seems that many of the rioters were prepared to riot either way, and in fact I read that many of them seemed to quote the previous riot as their very reason for rioting. That they felt that they missed out, perhaps too young, or not even born yet. Unbelievable that the city would point the blame elsewhere, not drawing on their previous experience to learn and prepare, and to fail to address the situation, even with overwhelming video evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather pathetic of the council pointing the finger elsewhere. No wonder no one has been prosecuted in this. Didn&#8217;t Vancouver riot the last time they lost in the finals? I haven&#8217;t seen this brought up before, but it certainly seems that many of the rioters were prepared to riot either way, and in fact I read that many of them seemed to quote the previous riot as their very reason for rioting. That they felt that they missed out, perhaps too young, or not even born yet. Unbelievable that the city would point the blame elsewhere, not drawing on their previous experience to learn and prepare, and to fail to address the situation, even with overwhelming video evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: hystoracle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hystoracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Calgary lost on the Road. I remember I was in Tampa watching the Lightning win! There were thousands of people outside the forum in Tampa that night and there was never any inclination of a riot. Maybe the rioting citizens in Vancouver need more to do. Idle hands are the devil&#039;s play things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calgary lost on the Road. I remember I was in Tampa watching the Lightning win! There were thousands of people outside the forum in Tampa that night and there was never any inclination of a riot. Maybe the rioting citizens in Vancouver need more to do. Idle hands are the devil&#8217;s play things.</p>
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		<title>By: polegojim</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have an entire City Council and police department protecting their jobs with this ridiculous attempt at a political spin. 

They should all be replaced for the sheer stupidity of the attempt.  

Let&#039;s just hope that none of them actually BELIEVE it.  That would be very scarey.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have an entire City Council and police department protecting their jobs with this ridiculous attempt at a political spin. </p>
<p>They should all be replaced for the sheer stupidity of the attempt.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just hope that none of them actually BELIEVE it.  That would be very scarey.</p>
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		<title>By: hystoracle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hystoracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is some truth in your sarcasm. There doesn&#039;t HAVE to be an NHL team in Vancouver. Then Vancouver won&#039;t have to worry about any more riots.  Move them to Seattle then see what Vancouver thinks about the situation. 

There was going to be a riot after game 7 win or lose - period. Those Vancouver citizens responsible for the riots and mayhem were taking advantage of the situation to do what they did. The City of Vancouver is solely responsible for not being prepared. And the people that elect the leaders - who (1) weren&#039;t prepared when they knew it was coming and (2) are trying to not take responsibility by pointing fingers at the NHL  - should remember this on election day. If they get re-elected then all of Vancouver is complicit in this. Whether you picked up a torch that night or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is some truth in your sarcasm. There doesn&#8217;t HAVE to be an NHL team in Vancouver. Then Vancouver won&#8217;t have to worry about any more riots.  Move them to Seattle then see what Vancouver thinks about the situation. </p>
<p>There was going to be a riot after game 7 win or lose &#8211; period. Those Vancouver citizens responsible for the riots and mayhem were taking advantage of the situation to do what they did. The City of Vancouver is solely responsible for not being prepared. And the people that elect the leaders &#8211; who (1) weren&#8217;t prepared when they knew it was coming and (2) are trying to not take responsibility by pointing fingers at the NHL  &#8211; should remember this on election day. If they get re-elected then all of Vancouver is complicit in this. Whether you picked up a torch that night or not.</p>
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		<title>By: kmacle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kmacle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vancouver has to own this.  I was in Boston for the last game.  The garden wasn&#039;t allowed to open for viewing because the city couldn&#039;t plan adequate security.  Where Vancouver had outside public viewings, Boston had the bars block windows specifically to prevent public gatherings beyond a reasonable size.  The two examples pose a stark contrast on how the cities involved prepared, the NHL is in no way responsible for the results in Vancouver.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vancouver has to own this.  I was in Boston for the last game.  The garden wasn&#8217;t allowed to open for viewing because the city couldn&#8217;t plan adequate security.  Where Vancouver had outside public viewings, Boston had the bars block windows specifically to prevent public gatherings beyond a reasonable size.  The two examples pose a stark contrast on how the cities involved prepared, the NHL is in no way responsible for the results in Vancouver.</p>
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		<title>By: 8man</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Might not have happened if they hadn&#039;t begun planning the parade route and weren&#039;t sure of a sweep after winning game 2.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might not have happened if they hadn&#8217;t begun planning the parade route and weren&#8217;t sure of a sweep after winning game 2.</p>
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		<title>By: jpelle82</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[vancouver just recently lost the title of &quot;most liveable city&quot; which they have held for years.  wonder why?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vancouver just recently lost the title of &#8220;most liveable city&#8221; which they have held for years.  wonder why?</p>
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		<title>By: stakex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stakex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did in fact see that, and I never said it was the entire population of Vancouver that was responsible. Hence where I said &quot;A bunch of your citizens&quot;, and not &quot;all of your citizens&quot;. 

As for this being just a reporter trying to sell papers... hes quoting the city councils own report. This is not the opinion of some obscure newspaper writer as your saying, its the opinion of the city of Vancouver.... which is very sad. 

I don&#039;t think anyone would ever say that everyone in Vancouver was bad or anything like that. A small group of trouble makers used the situation to rally a bunch of pissed off drunks to their cause. It happens.... but Vancouver needs to take responsiblity for it, and not try blaming everyone else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did in fact see that, and I never said it was the entire population of Vancouver that was responsible. Hence where I said &#8220;A bunch of your citizens&#8221;, and not &#8220;all of your citizens&#8221;. </p>
<p>As for this being just a reporter trying to sell papers&#8230; hes quoting the city councils own report. This is not the opinion of some obscure newspaper writer as your saying, its the opinion of the city of Vancouver&#8230;. which is very sad. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone would ever say that everyone in Vancouver was bad or anything like that. A small group of trouble makers used the situation to rally a bunch of pissed off drunks to their cause. It happens&#8230;. but Vancouver needs to take responsiblity for it, and not try blaming everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: mornelithe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mornelithe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No offense, but re-read the article, it states that &quot;The Vancouver city council filed their report on what happened and pointed the finger squarely not at their own citizens for acting like hooligans but at the NHL for allowing it to happen.&quot;

I would certainly _expect_ that the greater majority of inhabitants of Vancouver weren&#039;t complicit in this, however, the fact remains some were, and your City Council is attempting to pass the buck onto the NHL for the failings of the Vancouver Government and Police Force.  That is simply ridiculous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense, but re-read the article, it states that &#8220;The Vancouver city council filed their report on what happened and pointed the finger squarely not at their own citizens for acting like hooligans but at the NHL for allowing it to happen.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would certainly _expect_ that the greater majority of inhabitants of Vancouver weren&#8217;t complicit in this, however, the fact remains some were, and your City Council is attempting to pass the buck onto the NHL for the failings of the Vancouver Government and Police Force.  That is simply ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: akismet-2d1718ce6c549dc522497d89e6e96214</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 11:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits&quot; - Einstein]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits&#8221; &#8211; Einstein</p>
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		<title>By: bcjim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bcjim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New nhl policy...All teams will send their top two goons to the scf to provide security.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New nhl policy&#8230;All teams will send their top two goons to the scf to provide security.</p>
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		<title>By: razedeyebrow</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NHL are not the police and shouldn&#039;t even respond to idiot pieces like Rod Mickelburgh&#039;s.  His credentials as a journalist should be revoked and he shouldn&#039;t be allowed access to anything more substantial than a box of crayons and the back of a cereal box for future columns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NHL are not the police and shouldn&#8217;t even respond to idiot pieces like Rod Mickelburgh&#8217;s.  His credentials as a journalist should be revoked and he shouldn&#8217;t be allowed access to anything more substantial than a box of crayons and the back of a cereal box for future columns.</p>
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		<title>By: bsputnik</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 06:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Considering that there was similar situation &#039;94, the city should have known that this may have been a problem.  Why is public safety suddenly the responsibility of the NHL?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that there was similar situation &#8217;94, the city should have known that this may have been a problem.  Why is public safety suddenly the responsibility of the NHL?</p>
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		<title>By: mornelithe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mornelithe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 04:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is quite possibly the most farcical, and inappropriate claims ever made by man.  Firstly, no Town, Village, City, State or Country would tolerate another force coming onto their turf and dictating how to maintain law and order, it&#039;s simply beyond absurd that anyone would even allude to such a thing.  Secondly, what in the hell is Vancouver&#039;s police force FOR, if it&#039;s not to enforce their laws, protect the citizens and the cities interests?  

This isn&#039;t even a matter of defending the NHL&#039;s honor or how it runs it&#039;s business, and it goes WAY beyond someone passing the blame onto someone else.  If I were a Canadian citizen, I&#039;d be suing the Government for funding this ludicrous study, and then ousting every single member of the council that took part in it.  What a complete and utter WASTE of their taxes.  And seriously, coming from America, that&#039;s saying ALLOT.

As a penalty, the NHL should refuse to hold any Stanley Cup Finals games, for any Canadian team, in Canada, until they publicly retract this....&#039;piece&#039; and apologize for wasting everyone&#039;s time AND failing miserably at learning from recent history.  Old proverbs are there for a reason, it&#039;s because they&#039;re typically true.

&quot;Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.&quot; - George Santayana

Disgraceful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite possibly the most farcical, and inappropriate claims ever made by man.  Firstly, no Town, Village, City, State or Country would tolerate another force coming onto their turf and dictating how to maintain law and order, it&#8217;s simply beyond absurd that anyone would even allude to such a thing.  Secondly, what in the hell is Vancouver&#8217;s police force FOR, if it&#8217;s not to enforce their laws, protect the citizens and the cities interests?  </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t even a matter of defending the NHL&#8217;s honor or how it runs it&#8217;s business, and it goes WAY beyond someone passing the blame onto someone else.  If I were a Canadian citizen, I&#8217;d be suing the Government for funding this ludicrous study, and then ousting every single member of the council that took part in it.  What a complete and utter WASTE of their taxes.  And seriously, coming from America, that&#8217;s saying ALLOT.</p>
<p>As a penalty, the NHL should refuse to hold any Stanley Cup Finals games, for any Canadian team, in Canada, until they publicly retract this&#8230;.&#8217;piece&#8217; and apologize for wasting everyone&#8217;s time AND failing miserably at learning from recent history.  Old proverbs are there for a reason, it&#8217;s because they&#8217;re typically true.</p>
<p>&#8220;Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.&#8221; &#8211; George Santayana</p>
<p>Disgraceful.</p>
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		<title>By: peterred1980</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 04:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I live in Vancouver.....I saw the smoke from the riots from where I lived.  This was utterly disgraceful and there is no excuse for what happened.  But please do NOT blame the misguided opinion of a newspaper writer (trying to sell papers) on the rest of Vancouver.  Yes you got to see the worst of our city during the riots.  It&#039;s just a shame you didn&#039;t see how others who truly care about this city rally behind in the aftermath.  There were hundreds of volunteers on the streets the next day cleaning up.  It doesn&#039;t make up for the actions of the mob.........but at least it is a start and a reminder to those of us that live in this city that we are not all that bad.  Too bad you didn&#039;t see that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Vancouver&#8230;..I saw the smoke from the riots from where I lived.  This was utterly disgraceful and there is no excuse for what happened.  But please do NOT blame the misguided opinion of a newspaper writer (trying to sell papers) on the rest of Vancouver.  Yes you got to see the worst of our city during the riots.  It&#8217;s just a shame you didn&#8217;t see how others who truly care about this city rally behind in the aftermath.  There were hundreds of volunteers on the streets the next day cleaning up.  It doesn&#8217;t make up for the actions of the mob&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;but at least it is a start and a reminder to those of us that live in this city that we are not all that bad.  Too bad you didn&#8217;t see that.</p>
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		<title>By: atwatercrushesokoye</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 04:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When Calgary lost in game 7 in 2004 there was absolutely no rioting.  When Edmonton lost in game 7 in 2006 there was a little bit of trouble but nothing big.  When Ottawa lost in the finals in 2007 (can&#039;t remember how many games) I believe there was absolutely no rioting.  

Meanwhile take a look at Vancouver, the city has a history of mass protests that turn into trouble, not usually to this extent but mass gatherings and tension are not unusual to that city.  So with that in mind would it not seem odd that the city set up enomrous screens downtown and invited anyone and everyone to come view (150,000 or so showed up) and not expect some kind of trouble?  

I guess if the NHL were to &quot;advise&quot; cities on how to deal with these sorts of things, the first thing they would tell them is &quot;don&#039;t invite 150,000 people into a very small area allowing them to drink freely.&quot;  

Oh one other note, Vancouver just hosted the Olympics in 2010, during that 2 weeks downtown Vancouver had way more people jammed into it and everything was kept fairly safe and orderly....wouldn&#039;t that provide a much better blue print for how to deal with things in Vancouver than some generic report the NHL could have given them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Calgary lost in game 7 in 2004 there was absolutely no rioting.  When Edmonton lost in game 7 in 2006 there was a little bit of trouble but nothing big.  When Ottawa lost in the finals in 2007 (can&#8217;t remember how many games) I believe there was absolutely no rioting.  </p>
<p>Meanwhile take a look at Vancouver, the city has a history of mass protests that turn into trouble, not usually to this extent but mass gatherings and tension are not unusual to that city.  So with that in mind would it not seem odd that the city set up enomrous screens downtown and invited anyone and everyone to come view (150,000 or so showed up) and not expect some kind of trouble?  </p>
<p>I guess if the NHL were to &#8220;advise&#8221; cities on how to deal with these sorts of things, the first thing they would tell them is &#8220;don&#8217;t invite 150,000 people into a very small area allowing them to drink freely.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Oh one other note, Vancouver just hosted the Olympics in 2010, during that 2 weeks downtown Vancouver had way more people jammed into it and everything was kept fairly safe and orderly&#8230;.wouldn&#8217;t that provide a much better blue print for how to deal with things in Vancouver than some generic report the NHL could have given them?</p>
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		<title>By: kickingiant</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 04:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hopefully, what Vancouver meant to say was that the NHL, due to their experience with Stanley Cups every year, had the logistical expertise to assist in the city&#039;s preparations.  It would make sense for the NHL to share that experience with the host cities, like the NFL does with the Super Bowl.
However, if they are saying the NHL is responsible for not providing a strong enough police presence, that&#039;s just a joke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully, what Vancouver meant to say was that the NHL, due to their experience with Stanley Cups every year, had the logistical expertise to assist in the city&#8217;s preparations.  It would make sense for the NHL to share that experience with the host cities, like the NFL does with the Super Bowl.<br />
However, if they are saying the NHL is responsible for not providing a strong enough police presence, that&#8217;s just a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: nothanksimdriving123</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 04:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t help thinking that the whole mess could have been prevented if the Vancouver police had made their presence strongly obvious during the course of the evening, with lots of groups of them, perhaps 5 or 6 officers each, spread throughout the crowds at the outdoor viewing sites. If everyone there had known there were several officers nearby ready to pounce and many others ready to assist, I think fewer would have been tempted to behave like jerks. The mayhem that doesn&#039;t start is the easiest to quell. Bettman&#039;s fault? Not this time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help thinking that the whole mess could have been prevented if the Vancouver police had made their presence strongly obvious during the course of the evening, with lots of groups of them, perhaps 5 or 6 officers each, spread throughout the crowds at the outdoor viewing sites. If everyone there had known there were several officers nearby ready to pounce and many others ready to assist, I think fewer would have been tempted to behave like jerks. The mayhem that doesn&#8217;t start is the easiest to quell. Bettman&#8217;s fault? Not this time.</p>
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		<title>By: caine115</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 04:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How dare the NHL not hire Blackwater to guard Vancouver from their own people. One of dumbest things I ever heard. NHL isnt the police. Its a business. The NHL should apologize and promise not to play any more games in Vancouver so make sure their actions don&#039;t mess up the city. Yes I am being sarcastic. But it makes as much sense as blaming the NHL for Riots in a city that cried because they lost the Stanley Cup and threw a tantrum. Or does the NHL have some authority to arrest people and make laws for the city one of their teams play it

SMH]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How dare the NHL not hire Blackwater to guard Vancouver from their own people. One of dumbest things I ever heard. NHL isnt the police. Its a business. The NHL should apologize and promise not to play any more games in Vancouver so make sure their actions don&#8217;t mess up the city. Yes I am being sarcastic. But it makes as much sense as blaming the NHL for Riots in a city that cried because they lost the Stanley Cup and threw a tantrum. Or does the NHL have some authority to arrest people and make laws for the city one of their teams play it</p>
<p>SMH</p>
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		<title>By: stakex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stakex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 03:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, stay classy Vancouver. 

Just admit it... a bunch of your citizens got drunk and ran around like violent, destructive hooligans for a day. On top of that, you ignored the possibility it could happen and didn&#039;t even come close to taking the steps needed to prevent it. Its your fault Vancouver, and don&#039;t even try to say otherwise. So stop trying to pretend its not your job to handle your own security....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, stay classy Vancouver. </p>
<p>Just admit it&#8230; a bunch of your citizens got drunk and ran around like violent, destructive hooligans for a day. On top of that, you ignored the possibility it could happen and didn&#8217;t even come close to taking the steps needed to prevent it. Its your fault Vancouver, and don&#8217;t even try to say otherwise. So stop trying to pretend its not your job to handle your own security&#8230;.</p>
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