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	<title>Comments on: Mike Richards, Jeff Carter and the &#8216;Dry Island&#8217;: Two unnamed Flyers blame duo&#8217;s departure on partying</title>
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		<title>By: nhlbruins90</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/25/mike-richards-jeff-carter-and-the-dry-island-two-unnamed-flyers-blame-duos-departure-on-partying/comment-page-1/#comment-14359</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure there are guys who can enjoy the good life, and still leave it all out on the ice when it counts. I&#039;ve seen many of them, up close and personal. It&#039;s good to be young and rich, and nobody expects them to be altar boys. 

However, my point is more that the company makes a request of you, do you comply or not. People who make a lot less have much more onerous requirements for their careers than just staying sober for a month. It&#039;s a measure of your commitment to the team, the company and the end goal. 

I&#039;d never ask Recchi to abstain for a month. He&#039;s a 40-something year old man with a long track record.  No need to, his work speaks for itself. However, if a younger player was going off the beam, that&#039;s a different story. Get with the program or get out. Cashing that check means you gotta do lots of things you would rather not do. Most people learn that lesson for less than 50k a year. Deal with it.

As for the sweep. Thomas was the better goaltender in all four series. We only swept one team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure there are guys who can enjoy the good life, and still leave it all out on the ice when it counts. I&#8217;ve seen many of them, up close and personal. It&#8217;s good to be young and rich, and nobody expects them to be altar boys. </p>
<p>However, my point is more that the company makes a request of you, do you comply or not. People who make a lot less have much more onerous requirements for their careers than just staying sober for a month. It&#8217;s a measure of your commitment to the team, the company and the end goal. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d never ask Recchi to abstain for a month. He&#8217;s a 40-something year old man with a long track record.  No need to, his work speaks for itself. However, if a younger player was going off the beam, that&#8217;s a different story. Get with the program or get out. Cashing that check means you gotta do lots of things you would rather not do. Most people learn that lesson for less than 50k a year. Deal with it.</p>
<p>As for the sweep. Thomas was the better goaltender in all four series. We only swept one team.</p>
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		<title>By: nhlbruins90</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/25/mike-richards-jeff-carter-and-the-dry-island-two-unnamed-flyers-blame-duos-departure-on-partying/comment-page-1/#comment-14358</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nhlbruins90]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yup, that&#039;s the stuff they don&#039;t want you to know. Back in the day, I worked the bars in Boston and saw all the NHL guys out on the town. Lots of good guys just drinking for the most part, but there are always the exceptions. And there was one player who got into very, very serious trouble with the law, and after that episode was over, let&#039;s just say the fluffy story he told to the press didn&#039;t quite match up with what I saw. Don&#039;t believe the drivel they give to the press, it&#039;s mostly fluff.

You&#039;re right, with a GM having two DUI&#039;s, what kind of standards can the organization possibly have? I believe Harry Sinden had a drink and drive problem way back when, and on several occasions he talked about it in the press ... along the lines of &#039;I learned my lesson guys, don&#039;t let it happen to you.&#039; I believe he was sincere  That sets a higher standard than having a repeat offender running the show.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, that&#8217;s the stuff they don&#8217;t want you to know. Back in the day, I worked the bars in Boston and saw all the NHL guys out on the town. Lots of good guys just drinking for the most part, but there are always the exceptions. And there was one player who got into very, very serious trouble with the law, and after that episode was over, let&#8217;s just say the fluffy story he told to the press didn&#8217;t quite match up with what I saw. Don&#8217;t believe the drivel they give to the press, it&#8217;s mostly fluff.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, with a GM having two DUI&#8217;s, what kind of standards can the organization possibly have? I believe Harry Sinden had a drink and drive problem way back when, and on several occasions he talked about it in the press &#8230; along the lines of &#8216;I learned my lesson guys, don&#8217;t let it happen to you.&#8217; I believe he was sincere  That sets a higher standard than having a repeat offender running the show.</p>
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		<title>By: loslonelyman</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 05:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I live in Southern New Jersey and i am out at drinking establishments on average 4 times a month. Two suburban towns that 50% of the Flyers call home(Marlton and Cherry Hill) are my stomping grounds. Literally, i have seen both Carter and Richards poop faced drunk after games at the Marlton Tavern and Kaminski&#039;s(Cherry Hill) more times than high school rejects i grew up with. One night they were out with Donald Brashear and my buddy bumped into him(Brashear) and a brawl almost insued. At least Phillies and Eagles players get VIP tables/sections and keep themselves out of trouble. Flyers players walk around like heroes/soldiers returning from war and act like idiots.One night we hung out with Kid Rock and his posse in Tampa FL,at several bars and strip clubs and after a 12 hour bender....NOT ONE INCIDENT. Yet,Flyers players make it a habit to start nonsense. Flyer&#039;s GM Paul Holmgren has had TWO DUI&#039;s,so he is no choir boy,but even he has to be embarrassed by his two CORNERSTONE players behavior.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Southern New Jersey and i am out at drinking establishments on average 4 times a month. Two suburban towns that 50% of the Flyers call home(Marlton and Cherry Hill) are my stomping grounds. Literally, i have seen both Carter and Richards poop faced drunk after games at the Marlton Tavern and Kaminski&#8217;s(Cherry Hill) more times than high school rejects i grew up with. One night they were out with Donald Brashear and my buddy bumped into him(Brashear) and a brawl almost insued. At least Phillies and Eagles players get VIP tables/sections and keep themselves out of trouble. Flyers players walk around like heroes/soldiers returning from war and act like idiots.One night we hung out with Kid Rock and his posse in Tampa FL,at several bars and strip clubs and after a 12 hour bender&#8230;.NOT ONE INCIDENT. Yet,Flyers players make it a habit to start nonsense. Flyer&#8217;s GM Paul Holmgren has had TWO DUI&#8217;s,so he is no choir boy,but even he has to be embarrassed by his two CORNERSTONE players behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: marchris72</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marchris72]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, had to comment on this post. I bought a round for Recchi and saw him many times at a bar called Kaminski&#039;s when he was with the Flyers...he, Brashear and Robert Esche (who had his own reputation for partying) were there a lot. He also left everything on the ice when he played. Players can have a beer or two and still be competitive but that comes from within. Richards started out with fire, was ordained the second coming of Clarkie too quickly and let off the gas pedal. He may not have the fire within to win the Cup. I do know the partying thing is true from a girl who partied with them but don&#039;t label the team because of two individuals. As far as the Bruins dispatching the Flyers... Tim Thomas beat them...had they better goaltending, it may have been a different series.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, had to comment on this post. I bought a round for Recchi and saw him many times at a bar called Kaminski&#8217;s when he was with the Flyers&#8230;he, Brashear and Robert Esche (who had his own reputation for partying) were there a lot. He also left everything on the ice when he played. Players can have a beer or two and still be competitive but that comes from within. Richards started out with fire, was ordained the second coming of Clarkie too quickly and let off the gas pedal. He may not have the fire within to win the Cup. I do know the partying thing is true from a girl who partied with them but don&#8217;t label the team because of two individuals. As far as the Bruins dispatching the Flyers&#8230; Tim Thomas beat them&#8230;had they better goaltending, it may have been a different series.</p>
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		<title>By: jpelle82</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/25/mike-richards-jeff-carter-and-the-dry-island-two-unnamed-flyers-blame-duos-departure-on-partying/comment-page-1/#comment-14337</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jpelle82]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[who cares]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who cares</p>
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		<title>By: stakex</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/25/mike-richards-jeff-carter-and-the-dry-island-two-unnamed-flyers-blame-duos-departure-on-partying/comment-page-1/#comment-14326</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stakex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 05:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...and then traded them for no apparent reason when they were the two of the top players on the team (and just a year after they gave Carter an 11 year contract).

Who knows what it was exactlly, but SOMETHING happened behind the scene to cause this trade. The Flyers didn&#039;t dump two of their top players for the hell of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and then traded them for no apparent reason when they were the two of the top players on the team (and just a year after they gave Carter an 11 year contract).</p>
<p>Who knows what it was exactlly, but SOMETHING happened behind the scene to cause this trade. The Flyers didn&#8217;t dump two of their top players for the hell of it.</p>
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		<title>By: derpdederpdederp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[derpdederpdederp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 04:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[whichever Flyer came out and said that is probably just mad that as the stars of the team those guys were partying and getting laid way more than the guy who made the comments]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whichever Flyer came out and said that is probably just mad that as the stars of the team those guys were partying and getting laid way more than the guy who made the comments</p>
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		<title>By: ecnewman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ecnewman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t Dan Gross a gossip columnist?  The entire article is based off of two UNNAMED players, supposedly.  Sorry, I just don&#039;t buy any of it.  Let the guys go in peace.  The trade was over a month ago.  Let&#039;s move on, people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t Dan Gross a gossip columnist?  The entire article is based off of two UNNAMED players, supposedly.  Sorry, I just don&#8217;t buy any of it.  Let the guys go in peace.  The trade was over a month ago.  Let&#8217;s move on, people.</p>
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		<title>By: paulsdamnblog</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/25/mike-richards-jeff-carter-and-the-dry-island-two-unnamed-flyers-blame-duos-departure-on-partying/comment-page-1/#comment-14306</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paulsdamnblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re not far off, remember Billy Tibbetts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not far off, remember Billy Tibbetts?</p>
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		<title>By: hystoracle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hystoracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Flyers had so many questions about the character of Mike Richards and Jeff Carter that they made them Captain and an Assistant Captain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Flyers had so many questions about the character of Mike Richards and Jeff Carter that they made them Captain and an Assistant Captain.</p>
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		<title>By: nhlbruins90</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nhlbruins90]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s see now, I make 7 million a year for part-time work with amazing benefits, and as part of the deal, the boss asks me to stay dry for a month. That&#039;s just too easy. If it&#039;s my team, and a player can&#039;t comply with that simple request, get the f**k out. And if you can&#039;t keep from screwing each other&#039;s SO&#039;s, expect to be traded frequently, until there are no more teams stupid enough to take you.

Honestly, these guys are spoiled from the time they&#039;re teenagers. Over-indulged millionaires. No character. Something tells me that if they didn&#039;t have the great careers they do, and had to actually work for a living, they&#039;d STILL be the same bunch of overgrown adolescents. While it&#039;s mildly entertaining to watch on Jersey Shore, it&#039;s pathetic to watch in the NHL. 

Fortunately, there are far more character guys in the NHL than these types of morons. In today&#039;s NHL, you need character on a team to win the Cup. It&#039;s more professional and competitive than it used to be. Which is why Chara, Bergeron, Recchi, Thomas, and the majority of the rest dispatched these clowns in four. Remember, the partying comes AFTER you win. Seriously, don&#039;t they know the meaning of the word moderation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see now, I make 7 million a year for part-time work with amazing benefits, and as part of the deal, the boss asks me to stay dry for a month. That&#8217;s just too easy. If it&#8217;s my team, and a player can&#8217;t comply with that simple request, get the f**k out. And if you can&#8217;t keep from screwing each other&#8217;s SO&#8217;s, expect to be traded frequently, until there are no more teams stupid enough to take you.</p>
<p>Honestly, these guys are spoiled from the time they&#8217;re teenagers. Over-indulged millionaires. No character. Something tells me that if they didn&#8217;t have the great careers they do, and had to actually work for a living, they&#8217;d STILL be the same bunch of overgrown adolescents. While it&#8217;s mildly entertaining to watch on Jersey Shore, it&#8217;s pathetic to watch in the NHL. </p>
<p>Fortunately, there are far more character guys in the NHL than these types of morons. In today&#8217;s NHL, you need character on a team to win the Cup. It&#8217;s more professional and competitive than it used to be. Which is why Chara, Bergeron, Recchi, Thomas, and the majority of the rest dispatched these clowns in four. Remember, the partying comes AFTER you win. Seriously, don&#8217;t they know the meaning of the word moderation.</p>
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		<title>By: blastfurnaceknows</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blastfurnaceknows]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How bad does one have to behave to be sent away by the Flyers for &quot;character issues?&quot;  Up until now, I had assumed that only mass murder would qualify.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How bad does one have to behave to be sent away by the Flyers for &#8220;character issues?&#8221;  Up until now, I had assumed that only mass murder would qualify.</p>
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