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Was Mason Raymond injured on a dirty hit? Canucks believe so

Jun 14, 2011, 12:46 AM EDT

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During tonight’s Game 6 that saw Boston beat Vancouver 5-2 to force a Game 7 on Wednesday night (8 p.m. ET on NBC), the Vancouver Canucks saw their lineup depth take a shot in the early stages of the game.

Canucks speedy forward Mason Raymond was injured thanks to a hit from Bruins defenseman Johnny Boychuk on what appeared to be a rather innocuous play in the corner. Raymond was helped off the ice by teammates and was later taken to Mass General Hospital to be examined. While the play itself didn’t seem to be too dangerous or dirty, it’s shaping up that Raymond will miss out on Game 7.

Here’s video of the play in question.

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After the game, Canucks coach Alain Vigneault had no update on Raymond but TSN’s Darren Dreger tweeted that the Canucks are not too happy with what happened.

No specifics on Mason Raymond injury,but I’m told it’s bad. More to come. Canucks furious over the hit because the puck was nowhere near

We’re sure that some fans will think that the Canucks could be politicking here and perhaps even crying wolf but given that Raymond was taken to the hospital and the grave seriousness in how the injury is being described, it leads us to believe that things are really bad with Raymond.

All that aside, taking a look at the hit we can see that it was delivered late but not in the same sense that Aaron Rome connected with Nathan Horton as Boychuk and Raymond were already engaged. Guys are taught to finish their checks and that’s what it appeared Boychuk was doing… It just happened that Raymond was in a very awkward position going into the corner.

With the Canucks as angry as they are, we have to assume the NHL may take a look at the play and see if there’s something objectionable enough to warrant action on Boychuk, but it would seem right now that we likely won’t see anything come of it.

Raymond’s loss to the lineup is a big one as he’s played well alongside Ryan Kesler and Chris Higgins on the Canucks second line. Jannik Hansen took Raymond’s spot on the second line after he was knocked out of the game. Hansen played well with those two so it’s not unreasonable that he’ll be back on that line again in Game 7 provided Raymond is as hurt as reported. As to who might jump back into the lineup with Raymond out, Jeff Tambellini would be the likely choice.

The Canucks shouldn’t need added motivation going into a Game 7, but if Raymond is out and they feel it was a dirty hit, they’ve got that little bit of extra juice for their game now.

101 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. warpstonebc - Jun 14, 2011 at 1:00 AM

    Nope. No problem with this hit. Boychuk is not a fringe player. So Mike Murphy doesn’t have the balls to bring his new era “wheel of discipline” back into this.

    Good job NHL. You’ve done this to yourselves.

  2. bcisleman - Jun 14, 2011 at 1:58 AM

    It may not be a slam dunk, but I think there is an argument for disciplinary action here. Raymond is clearly turned around and in a vulnerable position before Boychuk finishes the hit. My guess is that he is probably already injured at this point.

    It would seem to me that, especially since the puck was already long gone, Boychuk should have let up and not finished the check at that point. There is an argument for a one game suspension on this play.

  3. canuckdude82 - Jun 14, 2011 at 2:06 AM

    This goes so far beyond a suspension etc. When asked by Henrik Sedin the referee said Raymond lost his edge so no call. Basically, the ref blamed Raymond for this play. Wow. Once again feel free to call me a whiner complainer etc, i guess we should be happy he didn’t get called for diving. And really sad to hear Boston fans were heckling him when he was laying in the ice.

    • mgp1219 - Jun 14, 2011 at 12:20 PM

      He wouldn’t have been heckled if the entire series wasn’t full of Cannucks faking injuries and diving just to try to draw a penalty. Ever heard of “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”?
      I’m sorry that Raymond was hurt, but the heckiling came because of the team’s reputation for embellishing.

    • cup11 - Jun 14, 2011 at 12:22 PM

      Boston arena was terrible when Raymond was hit by Boychuck, a hit that should of been called, but again no call. I can’t believe the American people the boos and heckling when Raymond made his way off the ice. No sportsman ship in their game. At least us Canadians know we are better fans and people. I also believe the refs are worried about their job, what else can it be. Get the politics out of hockey and call the bad hits and slashes and put those Bruins in the box. Yes I know its playoff hockey but this is crazy, no calls?? You letting the Bruins get away with terrible intent to injure hits. Raymond is now out up to 6 months and no call. NHL needs to make a statement regarding this hit, it was not clean… Boston is out to injur the matter what team they play or played. The NHL needs to look back at the other series??? Questionable ha???

    • savoirlaire - Jun 14, 2011 at 3:54 PM

      OK, you’re a whiner and a complainer…the hit was unfortunate but clean. Sorry he got hurt, and really sorry some boneheads cheered while he was on the ice, but only the most biased canuck homers are saying this is anything but a bad break. Breaks of the game, absolutely not even close to Rome/Horton, no matter how much you want it to be…

  4. richbutnotwealthy - Jun 14, 2011 at 3:13 AM

    This was a clean hit with an unfortunate outcome…. By the way whats with the Canucks hush hush on injuries…. I wonder if he was really hurt at all

    • warpstonebc - Jun 14, 2011 at 3:15 AM

      He was sent to hospital in a neck brace. But it’s okay. I’m sure it was just for show right? The Bruins are not known for cheap shots…

      • Truckmounts - Jun 14, 2011 at 4:10 AM

        no not dirty at all. You forgot Marchand punching Sedin in the head over and over and over – refs finally called it on the 5th or 6th punch. Pathetic refs entire series.

      • bbgraf08 - Jun 14, 2011 at 8:34 AM

        You are looking at the outcome of the play, and not the means of how it happened. That is a backwards way of determining if a hit was clean/dirty.

        As an impartial fan it is very clear that this was more of a freak injury than anything even remotely dirty.

      • hystoracle - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:09 AM

        It was a definitely a dangerous play. But the NHL is only interested in mitigating head injuries, the remainder of the injuries are not important right now. That would not get a suspension.. Though it showed little respect for an opponent in a vulnerable position. Boychuk could have easily broken his back and left him paralyzed given Raymond’s position. Very Dangerous. Though he won’t get suspended not exactly necessary to bend the guy in half and the check him into the boards.

        There was a missed penalty on the play though. Boychuk is clearly hooking/interfering with Raymond before the hit. Of course the Referee standing 5 feet away completely missed the whole thing. His foot got caught in a rut?? What is that?

      • manhorse69 - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:24 AM

        Boychuck was not really making an aggressive move on that check. They got tangled going for a puck and Raymond tried to turn out of the contact (thus lowering his head) and Boychuk skated him to the corner to keep him out of the play. It looked for all the world like it was the right angle of contact with an immovable object (the boards and not the glass) at an awkward angle. Boychuk didn’t even attempt to ride him to the ice or cross check him down like we’ve seen in this series

  5. warpstonebc - Jun 14, 2011 at 4:32 AM

    The thing is, I don’t actually think the refs are biased. They’re just cowards. Their management are cowards. They talk really boldly about how they’re watching for cheap stuff and then watch it happen.

    If Rome’s hit really was a turning point in this series, than Seidenberg would be getting 2 mins for every shift. Marchand would be on the verge of a misconduct every game. Heck, Boychuk would at least have gotten something for a check gone bad on Raymond. But no. The calls against Boston only come when the game is decided because the referees do not have the stones to call them on slashing, cross-checking and interference until the game is already decided.

    If it’s a penalty in the third period, why not the first? The referees are simply gutless and that always favours the team that relies on stifling play.

    • bobwsc - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:24 AM

      yea – they really dropped the hammer on that biting call too.

      • cccingred - Jun 16, 2011 at 1:03 PM

        Quit making a big deal about the bitting.
        the problem in the first place was putting his finger in the mouth. there should have been a suspension for that.

    • hystoracle - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:10 AM

      I don’t think they are cowards either. I think most of them are just incompetent in their job.

  6. tommytd - Jun 14, 2011 at 6:39 AM

    And I suppose all of Torres hits have been clean as well. Vancouver’s not happy unless they’re whining about something. Enough already…go out and play the game.

    • bcjim - Jun 14, 2011 at 6:58 AM

      From a fan with no rooting interest: Boston and their fans have won the whining cup even if they don’t win the Stanley Cup.

      • savoirlaire - Jun 14, 2011 at 7:33 AM

        Is that so, bcjim? No rooting interest in bc, bcjim? Right…

      • manhorse69 - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:27 AM

        Boston fans maybe, but the players have actually been pretty quiet about everything that has gone on. Julien has probably sounded off the most out of anyone in the Bruins organization. The Vancouver players and coach seem to have some kind of comment about something after every game.

      • hystoracle - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:03 AM

        The Vancouver Players and Coach seem to have something to say after every practice, game, any type of event. They are always talking about this and that. Shut up and play hockey. How could you not be ready for Boston to storm the goal at the start of that game last night? After losing the previous game and coming home where they dominated Luongo it was obvious to everyone but the Canucks and their coaching staff that Boston was going to be coming very hard.

        If I were Boston I would do the same thing in game 7 and you can win the series in the first period.

      • mgp1219 - Jun 14, 2011 at 12:28 PM

        Really? Ccan you cite examples of anyone on the Bruins (including coaches and management) whining? Remember, Luongo plays for Vancouver, Vigneault coaches them…

    • warpstonebc - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:52 AM

      It’s easy to say “that’s playoff hockey” or just “play the game” when it’s your team that relies on gutless refs.

      This isn’t a your team is dirty, but mine is not argument. It’s a question of “what the hell is a penalty if you call it different every 20 minutes?”

      Julien is the most insincere party by a country mile. You don’t have every player on your team slash a Sedin for 60 minutes without coaching consent. You don’t have the facewashing and elbowing without Julien seeing it. His claims to sainthood are overblown here. He’s been profiting handsomely from a strategy that exploits the spinelessness of post-season officiating.

  7. daveydawg - Jun 14, 2011 at 7:51 AM

    the reason you are getting heckled is because you are a bunch of divers and you have earned the skepticism. The diving is despicable, I don’t know how your team looks themselves in the mirror. Especially Lapierre and Burrows. There was absolutely no penalty on this play. None. He was not even “driven” into the boards. If the guy is even hurt, he probably blew a knee out or something fluke like that….

  8. donttouchthedirtypenny - Jun 14, 2011 at 8:02 AM

    No rooting interest here — didn’t seem dirty, it was a bit late. That was the first time I can recall seeing anyone get hit in the boards in that manner. My first reaction watching it was that he’s got to have a lower back or some type of spinal injury and I’m shocked they didn’t stretcher him off the ice. Hopefully he can come back from this because he a good player and I enjoy watching him.

  9. mattlion - Jun 14, 2011 at 8:05 AM

    When you have divers and fruitcakes like Lapierre and Burrows on your team, this is going to happen. Yes, the Bruins play rough, but they NEVER dive or embellish a play. They may punch you in the mouth after, but the refs can see that.

    The Sedins keel over the moment they are touched, as well.

    It looked like Boychuk was slowing down trying to pull up into the boards, I wonder if Raymond had a hold of his stick.

    • shaqattaqer - Jun 14, 2011 at 8:27 AM

      well the fact that you say the Bruins never dive or embelish a play just shows your opinion couldn’t be more biased, and thus should not be taken for anything other than a boston view of thing, and certainly shouldn’t be taken seriously.

      • bobwsc - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:29 AM

        hello pot – kettle…black

    • trigdaddy - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:37 AM

      More like Boychuk had his stick in between Raymond’s legs, in which he swiftly pulled it out before giving the hit to not get a call.

    • hystoracle - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:13 AM

      Bruins could teach a class on Diving in the offseason. They are masters at it. I keenly remember Thomas flying like he was shot by a sniper in at least one game of this series. Diving is not mutually exclusive to any one team. Some are better than others but they pretty much all do it. They are trying to draw calls and get their team an advantage.

      • daveydawg - Jun 14, 2011 at 11:14 AM

        nope, nice try

      • mgp1219 - Jun 14, 2011 at 12:34 PM

        Thomas dives to make saves, not to draw penalties.

  10. crusty14 - Jun 14, 2011 at 8:39 AM

    Non story here, Canucks whining again trying to get some kind of advantage for game 7. Both players were engaged with each other, it just so happened that Raymond went down awkwardly . It’s unfortunate he got hurt, but it was by no means late or intentional.

  11. sippindasyzurp - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:02 AM

    I’m sorry but Alex Edler’s hit on the icing call was 100x worse than what happened here… If anyone should be suspended it should be Edler for his cowardly hit, but he wont be cause there was no injury… Those are the type of hits that they should be trying to eliminate from the game…. The Raymond hit was just two guys engaged in a 1 on 1 battle where unfortunately Raymond got seriously hurt on the play.

  12. bobwsc - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:25 AM

    the 911 line in Vancouver must have blown up last night.

  13. cshearing - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:38 AM

    It should have been a penalty (it was rather late), but no suspension. An injury is more of a bad luck thing here.

    I have seen the Canucks dive way too much in this series, and this is coming from someone rooting for them. It seems like they cannot learn that diving will get you no where in the Finals. That being said, to try and purport that the Bruins NEVER dive is just so ludicrous. As much as I hate it, every team dives now and then, mainly because it works way too damned much.

    • hystoracle - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:19 AM

      To win a cup you have to fight through the checks, hooks, and crap. You can’t fall at the drop of a hat like in the regular season because the officiating changes radically in the postseason to that of the regular season. If they called regular season games like postseason games they would be much more enjoyable.. The Canucks have to have the mental fortitude to fight through the checks and crap if they plan on winning. The refs aren’t going to give them anything.. And they shouldn’t. You are more apt to get a penalty called if you continue to move your legs and drive through the opposition’s attempt to hook, hold, or trip.

      It’s a good thing for the Canucks that Boston didn’t have home ice or they would be in line for another lambasting. They must not be able to get their “A” game through customs.

    • mgp1219 - Jun 14, 2011 at 12:39 PM

      I’m (obviously) a Bruins fan and I agree that every team dives, but it’s good to see that a Cannucks fan admits that the Cannucks dive and embellish far more than the Bruins do, by a wide margin. They’re right up there with the Candiens in that regard.

  14. crusty14 - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:44 AM

    I suppose no Canuck defenseman has ever put a stick between Antibes legs and not be called for it. If you have ever played the game, you would no that it is basic tactic taught to d-men. Let’s not get all bent out of shape because he got injured, you don’t hand out suspensions every time someone gets hurt.

  15. manhorse69 - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:44 AM

    Just looked like such a wierd play. Wasn’t as if Boychuk slammed him into the boards or even had all his weight behind it. Don’t know what the coach is talking about with the puck, it was plenty close for the the two players to be engaged and a lot closer than it was on the hit on Horton that AV defended. People get injured on clean plays too. People can be injured without contact also. Hell a baseball player broke his leg jumping on home plate after a wlak-off home run last season and hasn’t played since. If there is any kind of suspension for this the NHL looks even stupider for not suspending Burrows, who contiues to be a black eye for an otherwise talented team

  16. crusty14 - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:45 AM

    Sorry damn spellcheck! It is supposed to say anybodies legs, not antibodies !

  17. crusty14 - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:47 AM

    Damn spellcheck! Should say anybodies, not Antibes !

    • donttouchthedirtypenny - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:09 AM

      Not Damn Spellcheck’s fault! Try “anybody’s” (possessive) instead of “anybodies” (not a word)!

  18. crusty14 - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:50 AM

    Maybe Sedin should try sticking up for himself instead of taking several headshots from a rookie…. I suppose you Canuck fans want Marchand suspended for slapping out Thelma , or was it Louise ? Perhaps Marchand should have got 2 for roughing and 2 for hurting his feelings!

    • warpstonebc - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:55 AM

      Please. We both know that if this wasn’t the playoffs, Marchand would be missing several teeth by now.

      The fact that he and Sedin got off-setting penalties just proves the point. Inaction by the refs will affect the results just as much as them targeting calls.

      • bobwsc - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:04 AM

        sure, if Aaron Rome was still playing

      • hystoracle - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:20 AM

        Rome doesn’t knock out teeth . . . HE scrambles brains.

      • jdgibney - Jun 16, 2011 at 12:34 PM

        It proves a point that Sedin is as tough as a Ragetty Anne doll, and his teammates don’t respect him enough to stick up for him. Vancouver showed their true colors when their captain was getting bitch-slaped by a 5’8″ Rookie (the ref already called a penalty on him) without sticking up for himself and not getting an assist from ANY teammate. Even from Bieksa who started the scrum. You can bet if a midget agitator from the Cannots was roughing up anyone on the Bruins, a) he’d be punched back, and b) a teammate or 4 would come to his defense. Nothing epitomized the series more than that sequence of events.

  19. canuckdude82 - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:54 AM

    Hehe don’t worry this will be swept away just like Chara’s hit on Patchoreti. I’m disgusted with you people who say he was probably faking it’s been reported he has a broken vertabrae out 4-6 months. As for the legality of the hit, no it was not legal, Raymond never touched the puck and yes, Boychuck knew he had him in a compromising position and took advantage of it. I’m guessing the people who post on here are some of the ones booing a guy laying on the ice last night. Bunch of hypocrites and cowards in my eyes. We may not be the nicest fans in the league but we will never celebrate the fact an apposing player has been injured. My only wish is the Canucks can take motivation from this and lay another physical beat down on Boston Wednesday.

    • nhlbruins90 - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM

      What’s in the KoolAid up there?

    • bobwsc - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM

      so you know what Boychuk knew? open up man – you a Jedi master?

      • canuckdude82 - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:27 AM

        No just a guy who plays hockey I didn’t say he tried to injure him but he could have released him before the boards and he chose not too. Wow you guys really don’t like people not agreeing with you do you ? And as for rioting, no we won’t be rioting that’s what they’ll expect from the losers. Try not to do too much damage after the game.

      • bobwsc - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:38 AM

        canuckdude82: I played football. that doesn’t mean I know what’s going on when James Harrison takes someone out and a discussion unfolds as to whether or not it was legal or clean. if you’re going to make a point, expect people to call you on it. you’re whining about people having a different take than you – which is something your calling people out on. see the hypocrisy?

  20. Dannielle - Jun 14, 2011 at 9:54 AM

    Burrrrn him, he’s a witch!

    • hystoracle - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:24 AM

      Let’s tie him up and throw him in the river. If he floats he is a witch and we’ll burn him… If he sinks then he is not a witch and we’ll let him go … (though he might not be as lively as he used to be.)

      • canuckdude82 - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:28 AM

        You know Bruins fans aren’t smart enough to get the Monty Python connection right ?

      • hystoracle - Jun 14, 2011 at 11:11 AM

        Alright then we’ll just see if he weighs as much as a duck.

      • jdgibney - Jun 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM

        And you know Cannot fans aren’t smart enough not to turn their city into a war zone just because they expected the Cup to be handed to them like spoiled whiny bitches, kind of like the team they watch.

    • canuckdude82 - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:28 AM

      You’re a moron.

      • daveydawg - Jun 14, 2011 at 11:16 AM

        no, monty python just isn’t funny

  21. nhlbruins90 - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:01 AM

    I’ve seen a lot of hockey, but I’ve never quite seen a play like that one. Very weird. So strange that they didn’t even know enough to send out a stretcher in case he needed one. To say that Boychuk caused that injury is bizarre (bizahh for Boston fans). It’s a measure of how delusional the Canuckers are that they would even bring the issue up.

    Again, if the Canucks and their fans do nothing else this playoff run, they’ll seal their reputation as an organization that both players and fans neither like nor respect. They’re almost as bad as the Habs, except they don’t disrepect our anthem. We’ll see if they riot on Wednesday. I doubt it, Montreal seems to have the franchise on that. On the other hand, the Canuck fans in Boston have been a cheerful and welcome bunch. There, fair and balanced.

    • warpstonebc - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM

      Right. Cause Bruins fans were really classy when it was not their guy down on the ice.

      Give it a rest. I’m sure everyone hates the Canucks for diving, just like they hate Bruins for being a bunch of cheapshot artists.

      It’s the Boston sense of entitlement which rankles.

      • bsandcs - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:15 AM

        family member was at the game…the reason fans acted that way when he went down was because the first replay showed raymond grabbing his face when there was clearly no contact to the face and eveyone thought he was trying for some phantom high stick call. which, considering the divers on that team, would not be not unprecedented.

        I do hope he is okay. freak injury, but not a dirty play.

      • manhorse69 - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:16 AM

        Not to mention Vancouver’s lack of owning up to their own behavior.

      • frobaggins - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:17 AM

        you mad?

      • jensen2401 - Jun 14, 2011 at 2:07 PM

        “family member was at the game…the reason fans acted that way when he went down was because the first replay showed raymond grabbing his face when there was clearly no contact to the face and eveyone thought he was trying for some phantom high stick call.”

        That might explain why the chanting started but there is no excuse for its continuation. I’m 47 and have been watching hockey since I was 5; I’ve only ever seen such shameful behavior twice. The first time happened in Chicago, where some fans booed as an injured player was helped off the ice; the Boston fans’ conduct last night made that bit of nastiness look saintly in comparison.

        The fans chanted and taunted the entire time Raymond lay on the ice (five minutes?) and continued on as he was taken off the ice. One would think that, after 30 or 45 seconds of him writhing on the ice in pain, the fans would have realised that Raymond was seriously injured and stopped their chanting.

        I’m sorry but there is no excuse and no defense for their behaviour. It was nothing short of shameful.

        As for the hit itself, I don’t believe it was a dirty one. However, as we learned after Game 3, that is not the criterion by which the NHL issues suspensions; instead, we were told that the three criteria contributing towards a “suspendable” hit are: lateness, made on a player in a vulnerable position, and causing severe injury.

        Well, it was late, made on a player in a vulnerable position, and caused severe injury. The league should man up and stand behind their words.

      • bsandcs - Jun 14, 2011 at 3:28 PM

        from what i heard, most of the fans shut up once they realized the guy was seriously hurt. If, as you say, there were some fans still booing 5 minutes later they either thought he was still pulling the “mortally wounded” act or they are complete arses. however i don’t think the majority of bruins fans are in either one of those categories. i still don’t know why he had to walk off the ice, canuck trainers should have put him on a stretcher.

      • jensen2401 - Jun 14, 2011 at 8:14 PM

        You see, there’s the benefit of not relying on NBC to listen to the game…the radio broadcasters didn’t kill their crowd mikes. The crowd in Boston should be ashamed of themselves and the rest of the Boston fans should stop making excuses for them.

        Also, if you look for the CBC footage of the incident, you’ll find that they have the high angle like NBC but they also have a camera looking down the ice (maybe from the other end of the ice as NBC’s ice level camera?) so you can see the last foot or so before Raymond hits the boards (also, they didn’t pan away as NBC’s cameras did). It very much looks like Boychuk held Raymond down and drove him into the boards.

        Even on the NBC footage, you can see Boychuk trip Raymond. It’s easy to see him put his stick between his legs; if you’ve DVR’ed the game, play it back in slow motion and see for yourself.

        At the very least, there should have been a boarding penalty called. And tripping. And interference.

      • jdgibney - Jun 16, 2011 at 12:40 PM

        Garbage. It sucks Raymond got hurt, badly. He’s one of the few players on that team that play the right way. Watch with objectivity (riiiiight), there were as many slashes to the backs of legs, or cross checks behind the play by the Cannots as the Bruins. the difference being, the Bruins (other than Thomas flopping in game one, which he was lambasted for out here) stayed on their feet. I’d like to hear any Cannot fan defend the flopping, especially by Burrows. Game 5 alone, he flopped 5 times (that the cameras caught), 2x from contact by his own teammates. Your team did it to themselves by embellishing the entire series. Trying to show up the officials, while it should have led to more embellishing penalties than they got, ended up probably hurting them more by not getting penalties they should have gotten. They have no one to blame but themselves. I’m sure Higgins was just trying to make sure Chara’s helmet was on straight when he lept up and elbowed him in the head ‘accidentally’ last night from behind, and Edler’s brutal hit from behind on the icing on Peverly in game 6 was as dirty as anything else in the series. But keep whining Cannot fans. You’ll get your cup someyear…..

  22. bsandcs - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM

    Canucks are up in arms about this hit yet in regards to the Rome hit they claim:

    “It was a little bit late, but anybody that’s played this game knows that you have to make a decision in a fraction of a second. He’s engaged in the hit. I don’t know how the League could come up with that decision really.” – Vigneault

    “We disagree with the decision. We thought it was a clean hit.” – D. Sedin

    “It’s not like it’s the blind side. I think the guy didn’t even know he was there. I thought it was a good hit.” – H Sedin

    but this hit is dirty? okay.

    • manhorse69 - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:32 AM

      exactly why these guys have gotten under so many people’s skin. They stand on top of the fence and then decide to come down on whatever side serves them best. Burrows bites and slashes and then goes down with the touch of a feather and the players claim they’re being beaten up. Then they claim they’re a tough team that loves the physical aspect of the game. Which is it? Bruins might not be getting any Lady Byng awards but they own their playing style, which Vancouver doesn’t do.

  23. canucks18 - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:29 AM

    Guarantee he has fractured vertabrae… Not a dirty hit? You people are so blind.

    • manhorse69 - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:36 AM

      Would it be dirty if he didn’t have a fractured vertebrae? As it relates to the Rome hit, even if Horton wasn’t out for the series Rome was still going high and came in late. He might not have been suspended but IMO the hit was dirty redardless of the outcome. In the case of Raymond, not so much. If he drops to the ice and slides into the corner and gets up, it doesn’t even make it on the in-game replays.

    • bsandcs - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:37 AM

      horrible injury, but just because someone gets hurt doesn’t make it a dirty hit.

    • nhlbruins90 - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:45 AM

      Given the odd way he went into the boards, I suspected all along that he fractured a vert. You seldom see an injury like that in hockey, because the play itself was so unusual. Which again, makes the claim that it was a dirty and/or illegal hit ludicrous.

      A high, blindside hit in center ice is something every hockey player understands. A player spinning into the rigid corner-board while bent over with his stick lodged between his legs is what any normal person would call a ‘freak accident’. Sort of like having a can of cling peaches (in heavy syrup) bounce out of the shopping cart and dent your fender. Weird, but weird stuff happens. Best to just go with it rather than put on a silly sideshow, with silly being the operative word here. Of course, we all hope he heals up well.

    • hystoracle - Jun 14, 2011 at 11:14 AM

      IN Boychuk’s defense, he obviously didn’t expect him to get injured on that play. When the puck went back in that corner he turned to guard him expecting him to be standing there with the puck. Just one of those plays that happen..

    • mgp1219 - Jun 14, 2011 at 12:47 PM

      An injury doesn’t mean it was a dirty hit.

  24. canucks18 - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:40 AM

    If you watch the replay again Raymond is in what the NHL should notice as their shady “vulnerable” position and is shoved/rode into the boards backwards. Whether he got hurt or not thats a bad play/decision on Boychucks part

    • bobwsc - Jun 14, 2011 at 11:02 AM

      biting was a good decision – as was jacking a defenseless Horton? anyone calling out the B’s in light of what the Canucks have done needs to pull his head out of his arse and get some air.

    • hystoracle - Jun 14, 2011 at 11:05 AM

      He is not getting suspended for that hit. Get over it.

    • mgp1219 - Jun 14, 2011 at 12:50 PM

      He FINISHED HIS CHECK. Isn’t that what he is supposed to do?? He could have slammed raymond into the boards much harder than he did, but he was gliding when he FINISHED HIS CHECK.

      • bbgraf08 - Jun 14, 2011 at 2:10 PM

        I don’t understand how anyone is complaining about the hit as there was no aggression involved; the two were tangled up and continued to glide into the boards.

        It’s pretty ridiculous.

        Let’s hope that Raymond fully recovers.

  25. manhorse69 - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:42 AM

    It never looked, from any angle, as though Boychuk was trying to injure the player. People from Boston most likely know about Travis Roy, a BU player paralyzed from the neck down on his first college shift. Google the play on youtube and watch it. He’s trying to deliver a hit and falls awkwardly into the boards, BOOM, paralyzed for life. Not a dirty play on anyone’s part just very unfortunate.

  26. cannonblast14 - Jun 14, 2011 at 12:08 PM

    Really wish the Vancouver fans would tell it how it is and stop trying to protect their team just because its their team. Canucks fans, your team has been diving, biting, talking shit outside of games, and complaining. Other than that, both teams have done the rest. Both teams have slashed, both teams have punched, both teams have hit hard. Boston has not been diving from what i have seen. I would not be rooting for Boston if they have been diving. In fact, the only reason im rooting for Boston is because of the shit Vancouver has been doing. Three things keeping me from wanting Canucks to win is 1) Lapierre 2)Burrows and 3) diving- which goes back to Burrows and Lapierre.
    As for this hit, awkward hit, no way its a suspension. Could have been a two minute interference, but probably not in the Stanley Cup Finals.Sure, Raymond was in an awkward position, but that doesnt make it a dirty hit. He could have slowed down a little but all players want to do is finish their checks this far into the finals.
    Vancouver fans, shut up, your making you and your team look bad. You wonder why the Canucks have become the villain of the series, its becuase of you fans and the classlessness some of your players have shown (diving).

    • mgp1219 - Jun 14, 2011 at 12:16 PM

      Well said and right to the point. One thing, in my opinion, Boychuck did slow down, as he was gliding when he finished the check. Yes, he was just finishing the check. He could have slammed Raymond into the boards, but he didn’t. Sorry to see that Raymond was injured, but I don’t believe it was a dirty hit.

  27. stakex - Jun 14, 2011 at 1:31 PM

    I could have seen MAYBE a minor penelty for interference on the play, but I really fail to see how its even close to suspendable. Watching the play, Boychuk is just finishing his check… and to that end he really didn’t even finish the check all that hard. It seems very much as though he slowed up, and didn’t finish the hit nearly as hard as he could have. Unfortunatlly for Mason he went in very odd, and suffered a freak injury. However there is nothing really dirty here…. and I think the Canucks should stuff it since they defended a CLEARLY dirty hit by Aaron Rome.

    With that said, I don’t think it was very good seeing Boston fans chanting while Raymond was on the ice. As someone who actually plays hockey, you never want to see someone down on the ice…. your teammate or not and the fans shouldn’t use someones injury as a rallying cry.

  28. mjd522 - Jun 14, 2011 at 2:14 PM

    Those of you that think this was not a dirty hit are crazy. Look at the play. Raymond is bent down with his head between Hackchucks legs, totally defenseless and unable to protect himself and what does Hackchuck do, he drives him into the boards backwards fracturing his vertebrae. The puck was nowhere near the play when this occurred. The hit should be looked at from the perspective of the ability of the injured player to defend himself, in this case, Raymond was less able to defend himself than was Horton who was hit from the front.

    This is why pro hockey will never reach the level of popularity as other sports because there is no consistency. Raymond broke vertebrae, do you realize that, and not only does he not get a penalty, the league does nothing about Hackchuck. Most of you, like Stakex, and cannonblast (what is that your bowel problem) are blind. You can clearly see Hackchuck slam Raymond into the boards. If that was your 13 year-old would you say the same thing. Duh, that was a good hit son, don’t worry you’ll be back in 3 to 4 months.

    • cannonblast14 - Jun 14, 2011 at 2:38 PM

      Just becuase someone gets hurt does not mean it was a dirty hit. I feel bad for Raymond and hope him the best, but it was a rather innocent play. He finished his check and it turned out bad. He didnt accelerate into him any more, it was his momentum.
      “This is why pro hockey will never reach the level of popularity as other sports because there is no consistency. Raymond broke vertebrae, do you realize that, and not only does he not get a penalty, the league does nothing about Hackchuck” Ya he broke his vertebrae, that does not mean anything in terms of a penalty. Datsyuk injured his wrist earlier in the year, do you give a penalty/ suspension to whoever pushed him down? Injuries happen all the time. Just because it is your player does not mean it is any different than other situations. The hit on Horton is COMPLETELY different. There is no similarities other than there was an injury. The hit was not nearly as hard. Raymond just happened to be in a bad position to get hit.
      And if it was my 13 year old son, i wouldnt really be all that pissed because it was an innocent hit. I may be pissed that he got hurt, but not at the hit.
      P.S. not sure where you get hackchuck because hes not really a hacker, but it just takes away from your argument of a dirty hit.
      Go watch the hit again from a mutual perspective and come back and say it was dirty. Not as a Vancouver fan, throw away the injury like it never happened, and tell me how you really feel.

    • manhorse69 - Jun 14, 2011 at 3:50 PM

      Before any Canuck fan/player can call this hit dirty, they must first admit to the dirtiness of the Rome hit. If they can’t do that to start out with then they should’nt be talking.

      PS Havent seen any Boston fans saying Raymond should have kept his head up and stopped admiring his pass.

      • tommytd - Jun 14, 2011 at 8:40 PM

        How about Torres? How about Burrows the biter? They’re a dirty team…they suck.

    • stakex - Jun 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM

      I’m not blind. In fact, I actually play high level hockey and almost certainly know the game far better then you ever will. I also don’t care about either team here, so I consider myself neutral in this debate.

      A couple points to your un-educated rant:

      1. Just because someone is injured does not mean a play is dirty. Players get hurt on clean hits all the time… thats hockey. If I had a 13 year old son get hurt on a clean (even if somewhat odd) hit, I sure as hell wouldn’t start making up facts about the hit and get made at the person who threw it. People get hurt in hocket…. don’t like it, don’t play.

      2. Where is the suspendable offense? As I said in my post, this might have warrented a penelty for interference… but last I checked interference was not suspendable. There was nothing dirty about the play that lead to the injury.

      3. Your bias on this issue is such a joke. You think this was a dirty hit, but yet you defend the Rome hit in the same rant? Are you serious? A targeted shot to the head isn’t a dirty play? There actually is a rule on the books that says it is… name one rule that is on the books that makes this hit illegal/dirty/suspendable. You clearly are just mad that someone on your favorite team was hurt, and are inventing rules in your mind to argue that this was dirty.

      4. You CAN NOT clearly see Boychuk slam Raymond into the boards. You are making up your own facts right there. Raymond is the one who ducked low, and Boychuk simply let his momentum carry them into the boards. There was no “slam” into the boards. Again, stop making things up to make your point seem more valid.

      5. The puck was in fact pretty close to the hit. The contact for the hit started when the puck was definatlly in play for the two involved. Boychuk was simply riding Raymond out of the play… which is borderline interference, but again not a “dirty” play.

      Bottom Line: Your just a Canuck fanboy who clearly lets your feelings for your team guide your beliefe about whats dirty and whats not. Your team does it, its fine (The Rome hit was very dirty), yet when an unfortunate but otherwise clean play happens to result in an injury for your team… its the end of the world. Talk about no consistancy. You casual fans are whats wrong with hockey. Do us all a favor and go back to a sport more fitting for you…. like Tennis, Golf, or Baseball.

      • jensen2401 - Jun 14, 2011 at 11:06 PM

        1. No argument from me.

        2. If you have DVR’ed the game, I recommend you re-watch the hit in slow motion. You can clearly see Boychuk trip Raymond.

        3. I’m happy to leave Rome out of this. Not relevant to the argument.

        4. Correction: You can’t see it on NBC’s footage. Take a look at the CBC coverage posted to the NHL site:|NHL|home

        The different camera angle does allow you to see Boychuk pile-drive Raymond into the boards. Raymond did not, as you say, “duck low”; he was tripped into that position and then held there.

        5. The puck was close to the hit but at least a second had elapsed between when the puck was near Boychuk and Raymond to when Boychuk “finished his check”. Plenty of time for him to realise that Raymond was liable to be seriously injured on the hit.

        Bottom Line: stop letting NBC spoon feed you their money-making crap and go out and do your own homework.

  29. govtminion - Jun 14, 2011 at 3:16 PM

    Good lord, what is it about serious injuries that causes every fanboy idiot to start bickering on this site? It’s embarassing to be a fellow hockey fan reading some of the crap in the comments section here, or on the threads about Rome’s hit. What is the matter with you people?

  30. neelyisgod - Jun 14, 2011 at 7:28 PM

    Feel free to penalize Boychuk. I’d rather see Kampfer in there for game 7.

  31. ynotflyers - Jun 14, 2011 at 7:47 PM

    I guess as a Flyers Fan I could use any reason to be hate’in on the Bruins, but you can’t say this was a hit to hurt……They got tied up and nether of them even took a step or lifted a skate….Maybe there have been some bad hits but this one the fans are going to have to deal with and thats about it…

  32. jensen2401 - Jun 14, 2011 at 10:57 PM

    Nothing matters to the NHL BoD and the Bruins’ owners except money. So, for those Canucks fans particularly upset about the way this series has been conducted, take these steps:

    1. Look at your bank card.
    2. Look at the name of the Boston arena.
    3. Do they match? If so, make your displeasure known.

    I suspect Jacobs might just listen to your arguments if he realises ignoring them might affect his bottom line.

  33. crusty14 - Jun 15, 2011 at 12:10 AM

    Jensen, you my friend have a skewed version of what occurred. BOTH boychuk and Raymond were battling for a loose puck, it is true perhaps boychuk could have been called for a MINOR penalty for tripping, but as we all know, not every single infraction is ever called in every game, playoff or reg. season. As both players battled for the puck, Raymond spun around and awkwardly bent over as both players neared the boards, boychuk never maliciously drove him into the boards. Unfortunately, the position raymond was in when he hit the boards caused the injury. I really don’t think anyone could position an opposing player like that in the one quarter of a second it took from the start of contact until they both went into the boards. It’s a shame he got hurt, but it’s a physical game! I will say I was disappointed in the booing that ensued.

    As many have said on here, as well as every broadcaster I’ve heard, there was no intent to injure, it may have been a minor penalty at best, but it occurred during a normal “hockey play”

  34. joay11 - Jun 15, 2011 at 1:14 PM

    I’m a Bruins and even I agree the Rome suspension was a bit overkill, it was worth a penalty and possibly a 1 game suspension at most. I think Vancouver fans are reacting to Rome’s suspension more than anything.

    The Rome suspension was a bit overkill, but the Boychuk non-penalty, non-suspension was right the call. Let’s face it, the Bruins were playing a must win game, of course they’re going to hit. We’re clearly responding to the consequences of the hit, had Raymond come back and finished the game, no one would have thought twice about the hit.

    – Rome’s suspension too much, Yes
    – Boychuk’s non-suspension too little, No

    • warpstonebc - Jun 15, 2011 at 1:30 PM

      Joay11, you’re probably right. The problem is indeed the inconsistency. If Rome’s hit warranted was 4 games, you’d think finishing Raymond would have been at least an interference/roughing call, let alone a suspension.

      It’s exacerbated by Mike Murphy making a big stink about his criteria for suspension, lateness, vulnerable player, severity of injury and then simply glossing over this one due to the lame “he lost an edge” interpretation of the refs. Of course he lost an edge, it was a can opener move that we’ve all seen before. The refs were gutless and NHL HQ is just so frustratingly inconsistent.

      • joay11 - Jun 15, 2011 at 2:08 PM

        Ultimately, if you’re a Canucks fan, this will be additional fuel for the fire in game 7. Look at how the Bruins responded in Game 3 even after losing one of their leading scorers.

        You hate to see any player get seriously injured like that, but I think ultimately it will motivate the Canucks even more to “win it for Mason and Canada”. It’s going be a brutal game, no question…my heart is pounding…

  35. cccingred - Jun 15, 2011 at 6:04 PM

    stakex – the only high level hockey you have played is EA Sports on your xbox. that doesn’t count.
    Just because you put your drabble in point form doesn not make you smarter.
    did you have to tell everyone that you have been Neutered?
    it’s something that we really do not need know. it is good for humanity.
    unless you have something intellegent to say just keep your comments to yourself.

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