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	<title>Comments on: Why Atlanta moving to Winnipeg would become a dream for the City of Glendale</title>
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		<title>By: Grandview Sniveller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grandview Sniveller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a really interesting point, Florida76. I know the Montreal Canadiens had some sort of preferential rights to draftees growing up in the province of Quebec up until the WHA Nordiques came into the NHL in 1980 and challenged that. Did the other original six also have special access to draftees? It makes your point all the more head scratching--not only a big head start on organization and depth, but special rights, and still they failed to win their share of cups. Complacency? Old ways of thinking? I know Gretz changed the on-ice approach (by being the first to play the Russian no lanes, always rotating, always moving style--kind of like Elvis was the first acceptable black musician) but maybe those WHA teams also brought new styles of management, organization and drafting too. The original six really stopped winning the cups in earnest in 1980 (only 8 in those 30 years).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a really interesting point, Florida76. I know the Montreal Canadiens had some sort of preferential rights to draftees growing up in the province of Quebec up until the WHA Nordiques came into the NHL in 1980 and challenged that. Did the other original six also have special access to draftees? It makes your point all the more head scratching&#8211;not only a big head start on organization and depth, but special rights, and still they failed to win their share of cups. Complacency? Old ways of thinking? I know Gretz changed the on-ice approach (by being the first to play the Russian no lanes, always rotating, always moving style&#8211;kind of like Elvis was the first acceptable black musician) but maybe those WHA teams also brought new styles of management, organization and drafting too. The original six really stopped winning the cups in earnest in 1980 (only 8 in those 30 years).</p>
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		<title>By: nolesshabitual</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nolesshabitual]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 17:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really? splitting up the Bruins Canadiens rivalry? that&#039;s your solution?!?! That may work for you out on the west coast, but it&#039;s not in the interest of the league or the rabid fans in both cities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? splitting up the Bruins Canadiens rivalry? that&#8217;s your solution?!?! That may work for you out on the west coast, but it&#8217;s not in the interest of the league or the rabid fans in both cities.</p>
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		<title>By: bigtull</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigtull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 07:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Move Tampa Bay to Milwaukee,  Florida to Cleveland or Cinncinatti while your moving franchises.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Move Tampa Bay to Milwaukee,  Florida to Cleveland or Cinncinatti while your moving franchises.</p>
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		<title>By: emperor83</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[emperor83]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 22:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I gotta say, while Buffalo, geographically is more of a fit for the Atlantic division than the Northeast, Buffalo/Boston and Buffalo/Toronto are two of the top 5 (not THE top 2, but still) division rivalries in the Eastern Conference. I give the other 3 to Pittsburgh/Philadelphia, NY/NY and Montreal/Boston.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta say, while Buffalo, geographically is more of a fit for the Atlantic division than the Northeast, Buffalo/Boston and Buffalo/Toronto are two of the top 5 (not THE top 2, but still) division rivalries in the Eastern Conference. I give the other 3 to Pittsburgh/Philadelphia, NY/NY and Montreal/Boston.</p>
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		<title>By: florida76</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[florida76]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 18:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Grandview, you&#039;ve put together some interesting divisions, especially the last set. I would like to point out some interesting facts on Cup wins. As you pointed out, 60 have been won by the original six, but the lions share of those wins were before 1967-68. Incredibly, the original six have only managed 19 Cups since the first wave of expansion in 1967-68. In fact, Toronto, Chicago, Boston, and the Rangers have only won five Cups total since that date, and that only ties the total by Pittsburgh/Philadelphia. When you consider the original six had a roughly 40 year head start, and the early expansion teams were starting from scratch, it&#039;s amazing the original six didn&#039;t win many more Cups, especially from the late 60s-80s.

Put another way, relative newbies like Tampa Bay and Anaheim have as many Cup wins individually as the Rangers, Leafs, and Chicago. That&#039;s unbelievable.

And even the Wings, who have been the second best post 67-68 original six team with four Cups, are just one Cup better than Pittsburgh. 

Bottom line, we can see the vast majority of the success of the original six occurred before 1967-68, but they&#039;ve had no where near the expected impact post 1967-68.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grandview, you&#8217;ve put together some interesting divisions, especially the last set. I would like to point out some interesting facts on Cup wins. As you pointed out, 60 have been won by the original six, but the lions share of those wins were before 1967-68. Incredibly, the original six have only managed 19 Cups since the first wave of expansion in 1967-68. In fact, Toronto, Chicago, Boston, and the Rangers have only won five Cups total since that date, and that only ties the total by Pittsburgh/Philadelphia. When you consider the original six had a roughly 40 year head start, and the early expansion teams were starting from scratch, it&#8217;s amazing the original six didn&#8217;t win many more Cups, especially from the late 60s-80s.</p>
<p>Put another way, relative newbies like Tampa Bay and Anaheim have as many Cup wins individually as the Rangers, Leafs, and Chicago. That&#8217;s unbelievable.</p>
<p>And even the Wings, who have been the second best post 67-68 original six team with four Cups, are just one Cup better than Pittsburgh. </p>
<p>Bottom line, we can see the vast majority of the success of the original six occurred before 1967-68, but they&#8217;ve had no where near the expected impact post 1967-68.</p>
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		<title>By: wingsfan11</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wingsfan11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 17:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish that Detroit would move East. However, the Wings bring in too many fans to games in the Western Conference for the owners to allow that to happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish that Detroit would move East. However, the Wings bring in too many fans to games in the Western Conference for the owners to allow that to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: jpelle82</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jpelle82]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 15:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[as a pens fan i dont consider washington a rival, new jersey and philly but definitely not washington. the media created a rivalry between crosby and ovechkin and the caps fans are just mad crosby has a cup.  pittsburgh isnt going anywhere, the atlantic division is set perfectly...nashville should move over to the SE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a pens fan i dont consider washington a rival, new jersey and philly but definitely not washington. the media created a rivalry between crosby and ovechkin and the caps fans are just mad crosby has a cup.  pittsburgh isnt going anywhere, the atlantic division is set perfectly&#8230;nashville should move over to the SE.</p>
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		<title>By: cshearing</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cshearing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 13:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NHL owns the rights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NHL owns the rights.</p>
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		<title>By: emperor83</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[emperor83]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 12:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who owns the Jets name, the city of Winnipeg or the Coyotes organization?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who owns the Jets name, the city of Winnipeg or the Coyotes organization?</p>
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		<title>By: t9tookey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[t9tookey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 09:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pittsburgh would never be moved to the West, especially into a division Colorado. Washington and Philly are Pittsburgh&#039;s biggest rivals.  If Atlanta moves to Winnipeg, it looks like Detroit gets moved to the East into the NorthEast Division, Buffalo or Boston gets moved to the Atlantic Division and PIttsburgh gets sent to the SouthEast Division. 

I think Nashville would be a better choice as they could be moved straight to the SouthEast Division but Detroit wants back in the Eastern Conference to cut down on their travel and I&#039;m sure the Wings will get what they want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pittsburgh would never be moved to the West, especially into a division Colorado. Washington and Philly are Pittsburgh&#8217;s biggest rivals.  If Atlanta moves to Winnipeg, it looks like Detroit gets moved to the East into the NorthEast Division, Buffalo or Boston gets moved to the Atlantic Division and PIttsburgh gets sent to the SouthEast Division. </p>
<p>I think Nashville would be a better choice as they could be moved straight to the SouthEast Division but Detroit wants back in the Eastern Conference to cut down on their travel and I&#8217;m sure the Wings will get what they want.</p>
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		<title>By: Grandview Sniveller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grandview Sniveller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 06:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is how the divisions should be set:

Anaheim
Dallas
Los Angeles
Phoenix
San Jose

Chicago
Colorado
Columbus
Pittsburgh
St Louis

Calgary
Edmonton
Minnesota
Vancouver
Winnipeg

Buffalo
Detroit
Montreal
Ottawa
Toronto

Boston
New Jersey
NY Islanders
NY Rangers
Philadelphia

Carolina
Florida
Nashville
Tampa Bay
Washington

Wouldn&#039;t hurt to have new line ups in every division, they make way more cultural and geographical sense this way, and allow for some new and different rivalries to develop, after many years of the same old ones. 

While I&#039;m at it, I would like to see tournaments within the regular schedule, just to make the dog days of January / February more interesting. Divide teams into five groups of six teams each based on the decade of their origin, and when games in the regular schedule involve two expansion sisters, count the points toward a round-robin-like tournament. Doesn&#039;t matter too much if there is imbalance by playing some teams twice and others six times, it&#039;s just for fun, maybe trophies at the end. The in-schedule tournaments would be between:

The Original Six 
Boston, 
NY Rangers, 
Toronto, 
Montreal, 
Chicago, 
Detroit

The Sweet 60s
Pittsburgh, 
St Louis,
Dallas (originally Minnesota), 
Los Angeles, 
Philadelphia, 
Minnesota (I know they were added much later, but Minnesota had a team in the 60s)

70s Sisters
Vancouver, 
Calgary (was Atlanta, added in 70s), 
New Jersey (was Kansas, added in 70s), 
Buffalo, 
Washington, 
NY Islanders

WHA 80s
Edmonton (arguably a 1979 team, but 1980 was their first finished season), 
Winnipeg (used to be Atlanta, but did have Jets, added with WHA teams in 79-80), 
Colorado (used to be Quebec, also 79-80), 
Phoenix (was Winnipeg, added in 79-80), 
Carolina (was Hartford, added 79-80) 
Columbus (added in 2000, but an orphan for any other group...)

90s
Anaheim
San Jose
Ottawa
Florida
Tampa Bay
Nashville

I know as a Vancouver fan I always pay attention the odd times we play Buffalo, our expansion cousins. I always marvel at the powerhouses that came out of the WHA teams (8 cups). And of course the 60s teams seem almost as traditional now as original six and I regard Philly and Pittsbugh and the others as old teams. 

Interestingly, 60 cups have been won by the original six teams, 6 cups by the 60s teams, 7 by 70s teams, 8 by the 80s teams....and 2 by the 90s teams.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is how the divisions should be set:</p>
<p>Anaheim<br />
Dallas<br />
Los Angeles<br />
Phoenix<br />
San Jose</p>
<p>Chicago<br />
Colorado<br />
Columbus<br />
Pittsburgh<br />
St Louis</p>
<p>Calgary<br />
Edmonton<br />
Minnesota<br />
Vancouver<br />
Winnipeg</p>
<p>Buffalo<br />
Detroit<br />
Montreal<br />
Ottawa<br />
Toronto</p>
<p>Boston<br />
New Jersey<br />
NY Islanders<br />
NY Rangers<br />
Philadelphia</p>
<p>Carolina<br />
Florida<br />
Nashville<br />
Tampa Bay<br />
Washington</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t hurt to have new line ups in every division, they make way more cultural and geographical sense this way, and allow for some new and different rivalries to develop, after many years of the same old ones. </p>
<p>While I&#8217;m at it, I would like to see tournaments within the regular schedule, just to make the dog days of January / February more interesting. Divide teams into five groups of six teams each based on the decade of their origin, and when games in the regular schedule involve two expansion sisters, count the points toward a round-robin-like tournament. Doesn&#8217;t matter too much if there is imbalance by playing some teams twice and others six times, it&#8217;s just for fun, maybe trophies at the end. The in-schedule tournaments would be between:</p>
<p>The Original Six<br />
Boston,<br />
NY Rangers,<br />
Toronto,<br />
Montreal,<br />
Chicago,<br />
Detroit</p>
<p>The Sweet 60s<br />
Pittsburgh,<br />
St Louis,<br />
Dallas (originally Minnesota),<br />
Los Angeles,<br />
Philadelphia,<br />
Minnesota (I know they were added much later, but Minnesota had a team in the 60s)</p>
<p>70s Sisters<br />
Vancouver,<br />
Calgary (was Atlanta, added in 70s),<br />
New Jersey (was Kansas, added in 70s),<br />
Buffalo,<br />
Washington,<br />
NY Islanders</p>
<p>WHA 80s<br />
Edmonton (arguably a 1979 team, but 1980 was their first finished season),<br />
Winnipeg (used to be Atlanta, but did have Jets, added with WHA teams in 79-80),<br />
Colorado (used to be Quebec, also 79-80),<br />
Phoenix (was Winnipeg, added in 79-80),<br />
Carolina (was Hartford, added 79-80)<br />
Columbus (added in 2000, but an orphan for any other group&#8230;)</p>
<p>90s<br />
Anaheim<br />
San Jose<br />
Ottawa<br />
Florida<br />
Tampa Bay<br />
Nashville</p>
<p>I know as a Vancouver fan I always pay attention the odd times we play Buffalo, our expansion cousins. I always marvel at the powerhouses that came out of the WHA teams (8 cups). And of course the 60s teams seem almost as traditional now as original six and I regard Philly and Pittsbugh and the others as old teams. </p>
<p>Interestingly, 60 cups have been won by the original six teams, 6 cups by the 60s teams, 7 by 70s teams, 8 by the 80s teams&#8230;.and 2 by the 90s teams.</p>
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		<title>By: emperorzero</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[emperorzero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 05:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nashvill to SE seems to make the most sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nashvill to SE seems to make the most sense.</p>
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		<title>By: djlybarger2</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[djlybarger2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 03:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do you think the NHL would realign the divisions with a move like this? A western conference team would have to move to the east as a result so what would make the most sense?

1. Move Columbus directly to the SE
2. Move Columbus to another division in the East, which would require another eastern team to switch divisions (ex. Buffalo or Boston to the Atlantic)
3. Move Nashville directly to the SE
4. Go back to the old system of two divisions in each conference, give the top 2 in each division home ice, and not worry about the imbalance (ex. in 1989-90 the East had 11 teams and the West had 10)
5. Get rid of the divisions and just play it out (this is basically how the standings look in the newspapers after Jan. 1st anyways)

I would personally vote for 3 or 4]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you think the NHL would realign the divisions with a move like this? A western conference team would have to move to the east as a result so what would make the most sense?</p>
<p>1. Move Columbus directly to the SE<br />
2. Move Columbus to another division in the East, which would require another eastern team to switch divisions (ex. Buffalo or Boston to the Atlantic)<br />
3. Move Nashville directly to the SE<br />
4. Go back to the old system of two divisions in each conference, give the top 2 in each division home ice, and not worry about the imbalance (ex. in 1989-90 the East had 11 teams and the West had 10)<br />
5. Get rid of the divisions and just play it out (this is basically how the standings look in the newspapers after Jan. 1st anyways)</p>
<p>I would personally vote for 3 or 4</p>
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