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Are the Red Wings out of their window for success?

Mar 7, 2010, 9:00 AM EDT

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The Detroit Red Wings have been so good, for so
long, it’s downright scary. They last failed to win a division title in
1999, and have appeared in two straight Stanley Cup finals, and have
only lost in the first round of the playoffs once since 2003. They’ve
found a way to continue to rebuild through free agency, but more
importantly through the draft as they’ve remained competitive for well
over decade.

This season the Red Wings are going through something they haven’t suffered in a very long time: a fight for a playoff spot in March. Detroit started off the season in a hole, as a poor start put them towards the bottom of the conference standings and the team has been struggling to get out it since then.

It’s been a tough road and one has to wonder: If the Red Wings are able to sneak into the playoffs this season will they be able to continue to dominate like they’ve done in the past in the postseason? Perhaps the age and yes, experience, is finally catching up to Detroit. It’s a situation that the team has not faced in a very long time.

The Red Wings players are not getting any younger.

average age of the Detroit Red Wings is 30.5, with the youngest player
on the active roster 23-year old Darren Helm. Every other player is
older than 25 with eleven players over the age of 30. The Red Wings have
built their current team through the draft, with gems such as Pavel
Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg coming in the 6th and 7th rounds. Has the
increasing age of the Red Wings contributed to their struggles this
season, as they fight to maintain positioning just for a playoff spot?

it just a case of injuries?

The Red Wings have had a number
of devastating injuries to key players this season, contributing to a
poor start that has forced Detroit to try and crawl out of the basement
of the Western conference standings. Yet just as it seems as if they
were getting back on top and making a run, as in January, they stumble
and hit another bump in the road. Now that they are relatively healthy,
they sit in 8th place with a one point lead over Calgary and are just
four points ahead of 11th place Dallas. They may be getting stronger as
the season goes along, but how will this older — yet very experienced
— team fare in the playoffs against the younger and faster opponents.
Will their discipline and coaching carry them?

Have to rebuild
at some point.

Every successful team goes through ups and
downs from one season to the next; what made you successful one year
will not necessarily carry over to the next. Somehow, the Red Wings have
maintained a high level of competitiveness for nearly 14 years. Yet
there will come a point when they will stumble, and require a season or
two to rebuild and restock their team. The days of free-agent spending are over and the most successful teams are winning because of the players
they have drafted during the down years.

Is Detroit starting
to enter that cycle? The franchise’s drafts the past few seasons have not fared
all that well, although last year they were able to draft Landon
Ferrarro and standout Tomas Tartar. Are there any mid-round surprises on their way from the 2006,
2007 and 2008 drafts?

Are the Red Wings going to be forced to
restock? Most of the successful teams that are inching towards of top of the conference standings have done so due to drafts that provide a powerful nucleus from which to build around. Most times, these teams can do so because a few years of disappointment and mediocrity have given them high draft picks from which to work.

Detroit is approaching a turning point in the history of the franchise and what happens this spring and this summer will be a clear indication of the direction this team will take.

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  1. Tony - Mar 7, 2010 at 11:31 AM

    Give me a break. We have plenty of young talent. We had more injuries than anyone in the league and our young players kept us in contention. I hate how the wings slip a little bit because of injury and everyone acts like its the end of an era. Please, try actually watching hockey sometime.

  2. Nikki - Mar 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM

    The average age argument is a moot point. Last I checked, there hasn’t been much difference in average age this year versus last. Using age as a justfication is ridiculous. My Wings can’t win ’em all, I think it’s just time to develop some of the good talent we already have. Let’s stay healthy and make the playoff push. GO WINGS!

  3. roger barham - Mar 7, 2010 at 12:15 PM

    I agree with Tony 100%…The Wings sport 3 of the best players in the NHL..(Lidstrom, Datsuk, and Zetterberg), and have a full stable of young players coming up through the system due to the best front office in the league.As Tony said, try watching a game instead of running off at the mouth..

  4. Jordan - Mar 7, 2010 at 12:17 PM

    Last time I checked, the Red Wings have one of the deepest farm systems in the league. Tomas Tatar, excelling in the AHL as the youngest player in the league, in addition to owning the rights to the leading scorer in the NCAA, Gustav Nyquist of Maine, and Brendan Smith of Wisconsin, who also ranks in the top ten as a DEFENSEMAN! Please, spare me and the rest of Hockeytown of these ridiculous articles that try to make a case against the Red Wings, and instead, why don’t you write a piece about how Gary Bettman is trying to hold the Wings down? Do some real investigative reporting.

  5. Brandon Worley - Mar 7, 2010 at 1:10 PM

    I am not making a case AGAINST the Red Wings, and I am merely asking a question. But I don’t know about them having the one of the deepest systems. Hockey’s Future ranks the Red Wings system 12th in the NHL, and for a team that has been so strong on defense has a noticeable lack of actual defensive defensemen. Plus, they traded away their top prospect, Ville Leino.

  6. NAS - Mar 7, 2010 at 2:06 PM


  7. Wings_Fan_In_KC - Mar 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM

    Typical stupidity by the company who brings us that crappy commentary team for Sunday’s holcey games. Do you people ever do ANY research or even care to come up with any original thoughts? Christ, I have heard that the Wigs are “old” for 15 years now. In that time period they have won FOUR stanley Cups. Your network coverage of hockey sucks and so dies your internet writing coverage. leave the hockey coverage to TSN Canada where most real hockey fans get thier info anyway.

  8. Wings-Fan_In_KC - Mar 7, 2010 at 4:02 PM

    Forgive the typos.
    holcey = HOCKEY
    Wigs = WINGS
    Thier = THEIR

  9. Jordan - Mar 7, 2010 at 5:56 PM

    Ville Leino wasn’t a prospect when he came to the NHL, he was expected to contribute, and when he did not, he was traded to clear cap space for players coming off injured reserve. As for Hockey’s Future’s ranking of Detroit’s farm system, 12th seems quite admirable for an organization that consistently drafts in last five slots, and even so, when was the last time they updated their rankings? I am not trying to attack you, I am merely bringing to light the frustrations of fans in Hockeytown, who week after week have to listen and read about how the Red Wings are past their prime. Yes, SOME of the Red Wings are past their prime, but the organization is certainly in excellent condition with the coach, GM and assistant GM of Team Canada guiding the ship. Even if they do narrowly miss the playoffs this year, they would certainly be within their right given their consistency of success over the last two decades, coupled with the amount of games this Red Wings roster has played over the past three seasons.

  10. M - Mar 7, 2010 at 7:39 PM

    Will expand on the previous comment about Butthead doing his best to keep Detroit from winning. Those who doubt it, please explain why Malkin’s suspension was lifted after game 2 of the finals? Clearly stated standard rules were bypassed. Without Malkin in game 3, the Wings go up 3-0 in the series. Having a mindless idiot who runs the league (into the ground) change rules because it doesn’t suit his agenda, can be disheartening. Even more so when it worked. Pushed the Finals schedule up one week to lessen the chances of an injured Datsyk returning. Might not have done the same if Cindy was injured. Speaking of his puppet poster boy, now he has more of a goon than Golden Boy as Cup MVP. Harder to sell second rate PR material. Not saying Malkin isn’t good – he is. But he’s also dirty and most important he isn’t the Chosen One. Yes, the Olympic goal and Gold medal are marketing material. So genius Butthead starts a campaign for the NHL not to return in 2014. He has driven the league to niche status and as long as you have a worm in the lead, the direction is to go underground. Wings have struggled, no doubt. But agree with the comment about the Wings being too old has been around so long it has gotten old. It may have been the best ownership and management team in sports for 20 or so years and it is still true today. One team that might contest it is Pittsburg. The Steelers, that is.

  11. Brandon Worley - Mar 7, 2010 at 7:59 PM

    Jordan – I respect your argument here but I want to emphasize one thing: I did NOT emphatically say that the Red Wings are past their prime. I was merely asking a question and it’s a valid one — with the Red Wings fighting for a playoff spot are they nearing the end of their incredible run.
    Not once did I put the team down, the organization down, none of that. The Red Wings are one of the older teams in the NHL and that’s a fact. With injuries hitting this team early in the season it’s been a struggle for them to pull out of it. Do I think the Red Wings are done? Not at all.
    Not every article written about the Red Wings has the be a glowing endorsement and when it’s not — that doesn’t mean it’s an attack either. I don’t know why Red Wings fans are so guys have the winningest NHL team since the early 1990’s. You have zero to complain about. So when an article pops up that questions the future of said dynasty — don’t take it as an attack. Just an observation.

  12. 2late2matter - Mar 7, 2010 at 10:18 PM

    For someone who is attributed as “an authority” and author of an article to (be repeatedly) “merely asking a question” re. this or that per the Detroit Red Wings is questionably doing his job. When did authors answer article commentors with additional opinions, observations and statistics outside of their original piece?
    Nothing personal, but if you have to ask so many questions, and comment for your own defense perhaps you really don’t know your hockey as well as others believe you do…

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  14. Brandon Worley - Mar 8, 2010 at 8:21 AM

    First of all, this is a blog. I write posts and articles with the intention of sparking conversation and debate, and yes I will respond to comments that question the validity of something I write. I will also respond to any questions or comments that are contrary to my opinion, to argue my side of it. What I take exception to is when a debate about an opinion turns personal: just because my opinion is different to how a person feels about their team, doesn’t automatically make my opinion invalid, nor is their’s. It’s just a ‘difference of opinion’. And then you debate your side of it.
    Second, I did not just ask a question and then leave it at that. I asked a question and then followed that up (in the article) with opinion and stats pertaining to that question.

  15. r0bert8841 - Mar 8, 2010 at 10:00 AM

    The Wings are getting younger every year. And how could you ask “Are there any mid-round surprises on their way from the 2006, 2007 and 2008 drafts? ” Their 2006 draft was extremely deep, one of their best in years. They signed 6/7 of their draft picks to ELCs and all are in the minors working their way up. Mursak, Larsson, Axelsson, and Mattias (though he is no longer on the Wings) have super star potential, I gurantee Mursak will be an elite player in a few years. Their 2007 draft was pretty iffy, but they only had 5 draft picks. Andersson and Smith are still on the radar. Smith is actually the 2nd favorite for the Hobey Baker award (according to, and ofc the favorite for the award is Red Wings draft pick Gustav Nyquist). Andersson is turning out to be a big defensively sound forward. 2008 we drafted Nyquist in the 4th round, who is a gem. He is another future superstar, tearing up the NCAA, leads the league in points and its not even close. I am not even going to go into the rest of the prospects. You should do some research before you write articles like this. And you might think we are defensive but thats only because we know what you are saying is absurd.

  16. Chance4 - Mar 8, 2010 at 10:16 AM

    I think it’s a valid question. Are the Wings to old? The answer is yes and no. They’s been “to old” for the last 15 years, their philosophy is veterans win and the longer they keep prospects in the minors the better. This leads to a high average age, but it also leads to the most successful franchise in hockey. I think the only thing that might make rebuilding neccessary is that Lidstrom is old and close to retirement. The question shouldn’t be are the wings to old but what will they do post Lidstrom. One other point against your artical that hasn’t been mentioned is the fact that they have one of the top rookie of the year canidates in Howard. If he turns out to be a player it will be a great step towards the future frr the Wings.

  17. Brandon Worley - Mar 8, 2010 at 10:19 AM

    Mursak is perhaps the closest to helping out the Red Wings and yes, he could be a late-round gem. Axelsson is back in Sweden because he had an absolutely horrid start to the season.
    Nyquist is tearing it up in the NCAA (and could be a Hobey Baker award winner) but he’s not going to be a major part of this team next season. Larsson could step in next year, depending on what happens with Chris Osgood.
    But of the players you mentioned, who is going to be in Detroit next season. Kindl will have to be, because they can’t keep him down any longer and there’s no way he’ll make it through waivers.
    My point in this entire argument is that at some point, the Red Wings are going to have a lull. This CURRENT TEAM is older; that’s a fact. There’s going to be an adjustment period where the younger talent start trickling in. That’s just going to happen. But the question is: Can they still remain at the competitive level they’ve been at for long while in transition?

  18. Chris - Mar 8, 2010 at 12:09 PM

    Why does everyone have their panties in a bunch here?
    Another internet blogger predicts the wings to finally fall?
    :eye roll:

  19. r0bert8841 - Mar 8, 2010 at 12:55 PM

    Zetterberg, Datsyuk, and Franzen are all in their primes and will continue to perform at an elite level. Kronwall is entering his prime too. The only question marks we have are when Lidstrom and Rafalski get old in a few years. Kindl and Ericsson could evolve into elite defensemen in a few seasons and Kronwall could too. And if none of them do then we can always make a trade or sign a free agent. The offensive core can hold off a good 4-5 years until we have Mursak/Tatar/Nyquist/Smith ready and that is plenty of time for them. And who knows maybe Filppula or Hudler transition into elite players too. The Red Wings have the best coach and GM in the league and have already proven before that they can go through a transition of core without missing a beat. I believe they have earned the benefit of the doubt.

  20. Wingsrule76 - Mar 8, 2010 at 1:01 PM

    It is a legitimate question. One that could have been legitimatly been asked every year for the past decade. The Wings have always seemed to reload instead of rebuild, but one does have to wonder if the salary cap puts a hitch in that gitty-up.
    As everyone knows, the Wings have, bar-none, the best scouting staff in all of professional sports. Their proclivity at finding late round talent is amazing, and it has to be to remain a top-level organization while picking at the bottom of every draft due to continued success.
    However… in the past they have bridged the gap between old and young by signing the Shanahans and Hulls of the world. Unable to do that anymore, a lull should be expected. Perhaps they found a way around that with Hossa taking a discounted one-year deal last year, but you can’t count on that.
    Still, I trust that Holland will find a way to keep the team competitive. As others have mentioned, the cupboard is hardly bare. And even if you buy into the 12th best system ranking, that is pretty damn good for a team that picks so low year after year after year. And most of those rankings are inflated by preconceived player value of the top 5-10 draft picks and their assumed potential.
    Where I do take exception to Brandon’s opinions is the claim that Leino was their top prospect and that they don’t have any defensive defenseman. Leino has always been a borderline prospect. He just is not a good skater, and could never overcome that. While the Wings do like their prospects over-ripe, Leino didn’t stay down in the minors for that reason. He just never got better. As far as no defensive defenseman, that may be a concern someday (especially w/ Lidstrom being gone soon.) But Lilja, Rafalski, Kronwall & Stuart are very sound defensively and by themselves would rival most teams top 4.

  21. Heriberto Doser - Mar 8, 2010 at 2:00 PM

    Many thanks for sharing such an insightful article with all of us. I’ve bookmarked your blog will come back for a re-read again. Keep up the good work.

  22. Dean - Mar 8, 2010 at 2:28 PM

    Mr. Worley, what you fail to comprehend is that, even though the average age of the Red Wings is high, it is not the same as them being replete with older players. The Wings rely on players in their prime whereas almsot every other team in the league is forced to depend on youngsters for success.
    A good estimate where age starts becoming a factor is likely around 34. Only Lidstrom, Rafalski, Osgood, Draper, Holmstrom, Bertuzzi, and Lilja are at this mark. The rest of the team is 31 or less, which means at least a couple more competitive years. Add that to the fact that this holdover from the previous core that won the Stanley Cups of the late 90’s aren’t the biggest contributors (aside from Lidstrom and Rafalski).
    These same questions were asked about the Red Wings when mainstays such as Yzerman, Fedorov, and Shannahan left the team. The strength of the organization was revealed in that their scouting, development, and management were top notch and these support systems did not leave nor are they affected by age. This current Red Wings team was built on the strength of superstars drafted in the 6th and 7th round (Datsyuk/Zetterberg). Who can honestly say they won’t pull it off again? Especially considering they have several more years of viability in their current core with which to be patient.

  23. Biff - Mar 8, 2010 at 3:14 PM

    “We” have plenty of talent? “We” had more injuries? What position do you play Tony?

  24. Kris - Mar 8, 2010 at 5:26 PM

    WTF … Leino was our top prospect?

  25. Jordan - Mar 8, 2010 at 7:02 PM

    Mr. Worley,
    I understood the intent of the article, but it is certainly not the first of its nature to be published. As a lifetime Red Wing fan, I agree that not EVERY article written has to praise the team from top to bottom. It is merely the articles that question the Red Wings status as an organization, and an aging one. I stated that I agree with you that SOME of the Red Wings are starting to show signs of aging, Maltby, Draper, Holmstrom and even Lidstrom to an extent, have all seen their play and health decline in recent years. What you need to take into consideration when deciphering the meaning of all of these posts that are seemingly attacking your piece, is that Hockeytown has dealt with the age question for the past 15 years. When Detroit won the Cup in 2002, that was it, the end of the road had been reached. Yzerman, Hull, Robitaille, Shannahan, Larianov, Chelios, Hasek and so on, were supposed to signify the end of an era for the Detroit Red Wings, but if history has proven anything (and it has in 2008 and 2009), the Red Wings do not rebuild, they reload. Even if the cap shrinks again this summer, the Red Wings still have a significant amount of money coming off their books, which will allow them to be flexible and rather choosy when it comes to signing UFA’s. Please, by all means critique the Red Wings, but don’t do so because their drivers licenses are out of date.

  26. Brandon Worley - Mar 8, 2010 at 9:50 PM

    First of all, I appreciate your measured response. I realize that this opinion and question is not a popular one. Do I think that the Red Wings are about to just drop off the face of the NHL next season? Not a chance. I do think there has to be an inevitable lull, but it’s not like they’re going to become the Atlanta Thrashers all of a sudden. I just don’t think they’ll be as dominant as they have been. It may just last one season, but it may happen.
    But hey, it’s the Red Wings. There’s a good chance it won’t.

  27. Jordan - Mar 9, 2010 at 5:42 PM

    Mr Worley,
    I will not discredit you at all for presuming that a lull is inevitable. As long as the current CBA is in place, it will be difficult for any one team to dominant in any fashion. However, I believe the Red Wings and a handful of other teams, are in a better position than most going forward, financially and personnel wise. Take this years Chicago Blackhawks team for example, because of UFA signings and extensions handed out during the season, they are most assuredly over (or very close) the cap going into next season, and will be forced to move some pretty essential pieces to their team. Now look ahead, teams like L.A., St. Louis, Phoenix, Washington, those young, up and coming teams, are going to be in a real bind in the next two or three years because all of those entry-level deals their rosters consist of, will be expired and their young stars will be expecting star-worthy paydays like those of Kane, Toews and Keith in Chicago. Detroit is not in that situation, their system is very structured in terms of how they develop players, not only skill wise, but financially as well. Of course, a change in the CBA could make all of this moot, but for the time being it’s all we have to speculate about.

  28. Jim S - Mar 14, 2010 at 1:53 AM

    Personally, I agree with the opinion of the articles’ author. Age does matter, and while oft repeated its never been as clear as this year. As players age, they get hurt more and take longer to heal. Scotty bowmans dead. (or at least gone). that counts for huge imho. All the work the bowman put into the organization is now starting to dwindle away. Lidstroms near retiring, chelios has moved out (on?) shanahan your god is gone, and… well… what you have left is just slightly better than average – or say – the 8th placed team as of this writing. Do other teams still seem troubled by the aura of the wingnuts? aye. but that too is beginning to show signs of cracking. Even the PR gods aren’t putting dreadwings on the boobtube like they used to. The league is now in the hands of the individual and not the team – see Sid and the Great 8. I watch the wings and I see … slow speed, poor defense and mediocre netminding. Sorry wing fans… your age IS showing and you can rant all you want. You’re struggling this year just to get in, and the next 2 years look really bad… even the free agents ignored detroit this year for the playoff push. Thats writing on the wall from the inside. end of the era. done.

  29. njh - Mar 14, 2010 at 12:36 PM

    As a former Michiganian (I’m not a goose!), I am still a Red Wings fan, although I don’t follow them closely, now that I’m in New Orleans! I grew up in GR around hockey. My dad played some and was an official for many years in the IHL.
    Every professional sports team has the potential to have a down season, when they are rebuilding, whether because of coaching staff, ownership or player changes. I’ve been a Saints fan since I moved here in 2004. They played the Lions on Christmas Eve of that year, when they were the two worst teams in the NFL. I really didn’t know which team I would root for, until the end of the game, which wasn’t a bad game, since they were evenly matched! 😉
    But, by the end of the game, I was rooting for the Saints. Last year when they lost to the Bears, we all knew the defense needing a change. Enter Greg Williams. ’nuff said about football and us Who Dat’s.
    The point is, pro teams rebuild periodically. At the same time, a REALLY good management could potentially orchestrate a smooth, continuous transition. ‘doesn’t usually happen that way.
    The Tigers have the same thing. The ’68 Tigers were not the same as the ’84 Tigers. They haven’t been the same since. The farm system may hold gems (Like Alan Trammel for the Tigers), but bringing the right players to the majors at the right time requires a lot of… something that most management teams don’t have year after year.
    If the ‘wings have a down year, they’ll be bahk! Look at the Yankees – when I was growing up, they dominated. And everybody wanted them to lose. They’ve had other runs. Everybody likes to hate a dynasty. It might be refreshing to have a down year or two. Then the comeback will be that much more exciting and satisfying.

  30. leftcoastblue - Mar 16, 2010 at 8:12 AM

    Jim, age may matter, but as many of the posters on this thread have emphasized, the Red Wings have been hearing about ‘age’ for most of the past 15 years — during which time they have been the winningest organization in pro hockey.

    My primary point, however, is this: Scotty Bowman’s contribution to the organization was as a COACH. And the Red Wings now have by far the best active coach in the game, Mike Babcock. All those people who built the Wings — Ken Holland, Jim Devallano, Jim Nill, etc. — are still building the team.

    (By the way, you know so little about hockey you think Scotty’s dead — he’s actually in Chicago as a consultant to his son, who is GM for the Blackhawks.)

  31. bill - Mar 16, 2010 at 10:50 AM

    top prospect Ville Leino give me a break, can’t skate, afraid of the corners, no defense. He might score 20 goals but hew would be a minus 20

  32. Wangedwing - Mar 22, 2010 at 7:08 PM

    Wow, Jim, your hockey acumen is a marvel to behold. pfft..yo, knucklehead, its nice you want to be a troll, but lets talk real here for a second k. According to the league’s best guesses, Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Franzen are top 50 players, with Datsyuk being put in between 3rd and 7th, Z is down a few spots from there..and Franzen, because he was out most of the season (and he happens to be young, like the rest of the core)comes in somewhere around 50…Lidstrom of course is still one of the finest defensemen, as for speed, Have you watched a red wings game? I mean really watched it? You don’t need to have a ton of speed, tho, they do have it, when you control the puck in the other teams defensive zone for 75% of the game. You don’t get 40 shots a game because your slow either. Jim…your obviously a hater..and thats too bad..your opinion, is…ridiculous, lets move on and not talk to Jim..he’s uh….not right. I expect Lidstrom to play one or two more years, its possible, if they were to win the cup this year, he could make it his last..that would be 5 rings for Nicky. And remind me many Norris trophies? 5? 7? eh, no matter. Jim must be a Pittsburgh fan, and knows the Wings got cheated twice in the finals last year…30 seconds of 6 men on the ice where everyone saw it, except the refs..and the shortened suspension, and moved up date for the finals…yeah..whaterver Butthead.

  33. aditya - Apr 2, 2010 at 4:13 PM

    Late to the party, but I have to agree that what isn’t plainly obvious to other franchises, fans, and clearly bloggers is that the Wings have been on the older side of the league for the majority of their 16 year run of dominance. They keep prospects in the minors longer than other teams (Holland likes to call it over-ripening) because they believe veteran players are more consistent and therefore a team is more stable when the players are older. The Wings also try to generate the most skill from players in their prime (Zetterberg, Franzen, Datsyuk) are all in their prime. Most people think of “prime” as 27-30. For the Wings it seems they feel 28-34 is “prime”. Therefore players who are older and younger tend to fill roles. When younger players like Filppula and Hudler can contribute offensively that helps (btw, Leino was never truly a prospect since he was an overage signing akin to Brunnstrom) but having the top defensive pairing as a 40 year old and a 36 year old is a concern. In fact it’s the real concern. How to replace Lidstrom (the one constant through the Wings decade and a half of dominance and nearly two decades of playoffs) and also Rafalski.
    And when you talk about the players drafted in 07, 08, 09… those guys won’t make the Wings for 4-7 years from now. That’s not how we do it. And that’s why we’re stable.
    The problem with just saying the Wings are “old” is that it’s a very broad and not very useful statistic. It’s like saying the Wings are bad because no one on the team has 30 goals.
    Funny, I didn’t intend to go on the rant. Actually wanted to just let you know that Hockey’s Future is garbage though I love the forums of course. At least HF is garbage when it comes to the Wings prospects. There’s no rhyme or reason to it and I can sincerely evaluate players better than they can. If you want real Red Wings propect info go to

  34. Probert fan - Apr 4, 2010 at 5:35 PM

    Is Gary Bettman Gay? I listened to an interview with him and Ron Maclean on Hockey Night in Canada, and every comment He made he had to touch Ron’s hand very feminine like. Could be why fighting is heavily penalized in the past couple of decades to sort of pansify the players. Next we will see women in the NHL and teams will be wearing dresses instead of the traditional sweater.

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